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1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer

January 24th, 2009 Headsman

Qu’est-ce que c’est?

It was 20 years today that Ted Bundy, the signature sexual psychopath in a golden age of serial killers,* rode the lightning in Florida’s Starke Prison.

Executed Today is pleased to mark the occasion with a conversation with Louisville crime writer Kevin M. Sullivan, author of a forthcoming2009 book on Ted Bundy … and a man who knows how the world looks from inside Bundy’s ski mask.

Ted Bundy is obviously one of the most iconic, written-about serial killers in history. Why a book about Ted Bundy? What’s the untold story that you set out to uncover?

The desire, or drive, if you will, to write an article about Ted Bundy and then create a 120,000 plus word book about the murders, was born out of my crossing paths with his infamous murder kit. Had Jerry Thompson [a key detective on the Bundy case -ed.] left Bundy’s stuff in Utah that May of 2005, well, it would have been an enjoyable meeting with the former detective, but I’m certain it would have all ended quietly there. Indeed, I doubt if I’d even considered writing an article for Snitch [a now-defunct crime magazine -ed.], much less a book about the killings. But it was having all that stuff in my hands, and in my home, and then being given one of the Glad bags from Ted’s VW that made it very real (or surreal) to me, and from this, a hunger to find out more about the crimes led me forward.

Ted Bundy’s gear, right where you want it — image courtesy of Kevin M. Sullivan. (Check the 1975 police photo for confirmation.)

Believe me, in a thousand years, I never would have expected such a thing to ever come my way. I can’t think of anything more odd or surreal.

ET: You mentioned that you think you’ve been able to answer some longstanding questions about Bundy’s career. Can you give us some hints? What don’t people know about Ted Bundy that they ought to know?

I must admit, when I first decided to write a book about the crimes, I wasn’t sure what I’d find, so the first thing I had to do was read every book ever written about Bundy, which took the better portion of three or four months.

From this I took a trip to Utah to again meet with Thompson and check out the sites pertaining to Bundy and the murders in that state. Next came the acquisition of case files from the various states and the tracking down of those detectives who participated in the hunt for the elusive killer.

Now, no one could have been more surprised than me to begin discovering what I was discovering about some of these murders. But as I kept hunting down the right people and the right documents, I was able to confirm these “finds” at every turn. And while I cannot reveal everything here, It’s all in the book in great detail. Indeed, you could say that my book is not a biography in the truest sense, but rather an in-depth look at Bundy and the murders from a vantage point that is quite unique. I wish I could delve further into these things now , but I must wait until it’s published.

The Bundy story has a magnetic villain and a host of victims … was there a hero? Was there a lesson?

The real heroes in this story are the detectives who worked day and night for years to bring Ted Bundy to justice. And if there’s a lesson to be learned from all of this, it is this: It doesn’t matter how handsome or articulate a person might be, or how nicely they smile at you, for behind it all, there could reside the most diabolical person you’ll ever meet! We need to remember this.

But how can you act on that lesson without living in a continual state of terror? Bundy strikes me as so far outside our normal experience, even the normal experience of criminality, that I’m inclined to wonder how much can be generalized from him.

Actually, (and I might say, thank God here!) people as “successful” as Ted Bundy don’t come our way very often. I mean, the guy was a rising star in the Republican Party in Washington, had influential friends, a law student, and certainly appeared to be going places in life. Some were even quite envious of his ascension in life. However, it was all a well-placed mask that he wore to cover his true feelings and intentions. On the outside he was perfect, but on the inside a monster. He just didn’t fit the mold we’re used to when we think of a terrible killer, does he?

Now, there are those among us — sociopaths — who can kill or do all manner of terrible things in life and maintain the nicest smile upon their faces, but again, just beneath the surface ticks the heart of a monster, or predator, or what ever you might want to call them. Having said that, I’m not a suspicious person by nature, and so I personally judge people by their outward appearance until shown otherwise. Still, it’s difficult (if not impossible) to see the “real” individual behind the person they present to us on a daily basis.

You worked with case detectives in researching your book. How did the Ted Bundy case affect the way law enforcement has subsequently investigated serial killers? If they had it to do over again, what’s the thing you think they’d have done differently?

They all agree that today, DNA would play a part of the investigation that wasn’t available then. However, in the early portion of the murders, Bundy made few if any mistakes, as he had done his homework so as to avoid detection. As such, even this wouldn’t be a panacea when it came to a very mobile killer like Bundy who understood the very real limitations sometimes surrounding homicide investigations.

I can’t help but ask about these detectives as human beings, too. Clearly they’re in a position to deal with the heart of darkness in the human soul day in and day out and still lead normal lives … is a Ted Bundy the kind of killer that haunts or scars investigators years later, or is this something most can set aside as all in a day’s work?

They are, first of all, very nice people. And you can’t be around them (either in person, or through numerous phone calls or emails) for very long before you understand how dedicated they are (or were) in their careers as police officers. They are honorable people, with a clear sense of duty, and without such people, we, as a society, would be in dire circumstances indeed.

Even before Bundy came along, these men were veteran investigators who had seen many bad things in life, so they carried a toughness which allowed them to deal with the situations they came up against in a professional manner. That said, I remember Jerry Thompson telling me how he looked at Ted one day and thought how much he reminded him of a monster, or a vampire of sorts. And my book contains a number of exchanges between the two men (including a chilling telephone call) which demonstrate why he felt this way

How about for you, as a writer — was there a frightening, creepy, traumatic moment in your research that really shook you? Was there an emotional toll for you?

Absolutely. But the degree of “shock”, if you will, depends (at least for me) on what I know as I first delve into each murder. In the Bundy cases I had a general knowledge of how Bundy killed, so there wasn’t a great deal that caught me by surprise, as it were. Even so, as a writer, you tend to get to know the victims very well through the case files, their family members or friends, and so on. Hence, I’ll continue to carry with me many of the details of their lives and deaths for the remainder of my life. And so, lasting changes are a part of what we do.

However, I did a story a few years back about a 16 year old girl who was horribly murdered here in Kentucky, and this case did cause me to wake up in the night in a cold sweat. Perhaps it was because I have a daughter that was, at the time, only a few years younger than this girl, and that some of what transpired did catch me off guard, so to speak, as I began uncovering just what had happened to this very nice kid.

Watch for Kevin M. Sullivan’s forthcoming The Bundy Murders: A Comprehensive History from McFarland in summer or fall of 2009.

* In fact, the term “serial killer” was coined in the 1970’s by FBI profiler Robert Ressler, as an improvement on the sometimes inaccurate category of “stranger killer”.

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  1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Well, I hope everyone is sitting down, lol!!

    I can’t say much a bout it now, but I wanted to let everyone know that I’ve gotten the “okay” from a publisher to write a companion book to my best selling THE BUNDY MURDERS.


    If you’re surprised, you’re not half as surprised as I was when it happened. And I must tell you, I couldn’t be more excited!

    The Bundy case files are open again!

  2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Or, about it now; always nice to put the “a” with “bout”, lol!

  3. Jana says:

    What’s the focus going to be on, Kevin?

    And while you’re researching…wonder if you can find out what happened to those “Jana” brand handcuffs that were in the confiscated murder kit from Utah… inquiring Janas would like to know, ha ha ;)

  4. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hey Jana,

    Well, I can’t go into it now, but I will as the project progresses. It’s not a biography, as I’ve done that, of course. What it will be is a really nice companion to it, and I can’t wait to start writing it!

  5. Fiz says:

    That’s amazing, Kevin! Please hurry up with it! :D

  6. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    I’m on it, Fiz, lol! :)

  7. bart says:

    Good to hear about new Bundy book – as you perfectly nail Bundy, Kevin.
    If it is not biography, it must be something more about his Modus Operandi – or what’s most challenging – about what was problably going in his mind during his “career”.
    I can’t wait to buy it and read it.

  8. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Thanks Bart.

  9. KYGB says:

    I thought you put your quill back in the inkwell on the Bundy case.

    Keep us posted, Kevin.

  10. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    I did, KYGB. But this made so much sense I just couldn’t say no – to myself! lol!

  11. Bob Roberts says:

    Hi Kevin. Excellent news about your new book. I trust some new bit of research has prompted you to re-open the case. Look forward to reading it. (Also, can you release it in Australia).

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Bob,

      Well, it’s a combination of things that’s led me to tackle what will be an excellent companion book to THE BUNDY MURDERS. Thank God the biography is written and I don’t have to do that one again, lol! This is something that will have new info in it, however, although nothing ground-breaking like what was in the bio where I had new, hot-off-the-press, information about three or four of the murders. Rather, there will be some new stuff about the case in general from the files and perhaps some of the upcoming interviews.

      It will be published by WildBlue press as an eBook as well as in paper; and perhaps an audio book after that. So stay tuned, as they say.

      Good to hear from you, Bob


    2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Btw, Bob, all editions of the book will be available through Amazon and other outlets, so you shouldn’t have any trouble obtaining a copy. If you do, just post something here and I’ll get back to you.

      1. Bob Roberts says:

        Thanks Kevin. Sounds interesting. Books are easy enough to order online, it’s more that in Australia, few of the more niche items get through to the store shelves. One day I’ll get round to writing a quick review of that first book.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Thanks Bob!

  12. bart says:

    I have a feeling that as poor Bundy mother died some time ago, Bill Hagmaier released from the vow decided to speak.. to Kevin. This is what I suppose.

  13. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hello Bart..

    Once again, Bart, your speculation is incorrect. I haven’t spoken to Hagmaier in years, and I have no plans to contact him. :)

    1. Krisha says:

      Hello Kevin,

      Just to say that I think it is interesting that Hagmaier hasn’t written a book on Ted, considering he was quite close to him. May I ask, is there a good reason for that (not writing a book)? Prisoner confidentiality, perhaps?

  14. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hey Krisha,

    Soon after Bundy was executed, various publishers approached him about doing a book, but he declined. Part of that might have been job restrictions (at the time), as he was still with the FBI. Part of it also may have been personal. But in any case, he said no. And as of when I was talking with him (2008, 2009), he still had no plans to write a book.

    He also mentioned (and I already assumed this), that his book would never be a bio of Ted and his years of murder, but rather, would focus on his time spent with the caged killer. That would make for a very good book, and I told Bill so.

    So perhaps one day Bill will decide to write that book. We can hope.

  15. Philippe says:

    Hello Kevin,

    I am as well looking forward to purchasing your new book about Bundy !
    I suppose it is still too early to talk about an even approximative date of publication ?
    On the Amazon websites the book is not yet referenced at all.
    But this search showed me you had written another book this year already published and I have ordered it today. Your book Kentucky Bloodbath : Ten Bizarre Tales of Murder From the Bluegrass State, also published by Wild Blue Press.
    I may have overlooked if you did so but I don’t recall you mentioned this book of yours in any of your posts here on Executed Today ?

    I take the occasion to recommend a book I was unaware of until I stumbled upon it and bought it having just received it some days ago. I have started leafing through it. As it is in an almanach form I do not commit myself to read in the order.
    Looking Back in Crime: What Happened on This Date in Criminal Justice History?
    James O. Windell
    CRC Press, May 2015
    The presentation text is available on Amazon and elsewhere.
    But let’s already say that the author self-proclaims it is fundamentally a textbook which will be of interest to law students particularly in the criminal law field but not only. It may as well be of great interest to people from the general public,average readership. The writing style is literary or perhaps sometimes journalistic, not with legal jargon one might expect.
    This book has entries about each day of the year from 1st January till 31st December. For each, one or several events of a year or another.
    Note that the title says ” Criminal Justice History ” , not ” crime history ” .
    So the dates are not necessarily when such crime was committed or such criminal was born or died, executed or otherwise. There are also dates dealing with films, TV shows about true crime / fictional portrayals.
    Or the passing of such law in the USA, federal or State law, or other countries, in criminal law. Or the date of the abolishment of death penalty in this or that country.
    Also landmark court decisions, mainly from the US Supreme Court. Regarding for instance any of the Ten Amendments to the US Constitution. Like Gideon vs Wainwright ( right to counsel for indigent defendants ) ( reference to the telefilm with Henry Fonda ) ; Furman vs Georgia ( 1972 ) reversed by Gregg vs Georgia ( 1976 ) ( about the fairness of administration of death penalty ) ; Roper vs Simmons ; Atkins ( I dont’t recall which decision prohibits the execution of juveniles at the time of the crime and which one prohibits it for people mentally impaired below such IQ ) ; decisions about whether such method of execution in such State infringes the 8th Amendment which bans cruel or unusual punishment ; decisions about the Fifth Amendment and no self-incrimination ; of course about the 4th, 6th or 14th, searches and seizures.
    There are many names of law professionals like judges, district attorneys, lawyers, policemen ( or policewomen, the first female police officer in the USA in 1908 has an entry ).
    Louis Brandeis the first Jew to serve in the US Supreme Court 1916 – 1939. Thurgood Marshall the first African American. Clarence Darrow perhaps the most famous American lawyer of his time and / or all times ( Leopold and Loeb case ; Scopes Monkey Trial ; Ossie Sweet trial ; Massie trial in Hawaï ).

    Best Regards

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hello Philippe,

      I’m thinking that my new book on Bundy will be published in 2016, and it will be a WildBlue press release.

      You’re right, I may not have mentioned Kentucky Bloodbath here at ET, lol! I’ve just been very busy.

      Thanks for the heads up about the textbook too!

      See ya,


  16. bart says:

    I just wonder what would have happened if an individual like Bundy had been born today I mean like 40 years later, not 1946 but 1986? Would have he been able to proceed with his lust murder obsession so long with all this surveillance around? Would “modern” porn available online just one click away have shaped his mind in different way? What kind of ruses and trick this “Reborn Bundy” would have used? Instead of approaching victims in the darkness – approaching them online, talking for months and then “getting to the point”? Honestly, I think there many “Reborn Bundies” cruising around online and offline.

  17. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    I think Bundy would have used the internet for pornography, of course. But as to searching online for victims? No, far too risky. He didn’t want connections between him and the women, like IP addresses.

    He would have a bit harder time operating due to the cell phones (cameras), as well as governmental camera placement within cities, etc.

    But Bundy would have found a way to avoid most of that. He would have adapted to the times, as it were.

  18. bart says:

    Yeah, Kevin – that’s what I though – “Bundy reborn” would have moved to the places with lesser number of cameras – for example. I don’t know – to the country, rural areas.

    I wonder if victims from such places would have “satisfied” him as he always hunted for “upper-middle class” sophisticated girls. But in his bloody resume – he also had “country” girls.

    Anyway – campuses were also his hunting grounds and I wonder how would he have behaved to do “his thing” in such places?

  19. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    It’s all speculation, Bart.

  20. bart says:

    Bundy-like perpetrators DO exist nowadays – so let’s study them and we’ll see portrait (or better call it “sketch”) of 21st century Bundy. I only hope they are been caught sooner than Bundy – 40 years ago.

  21. Shelley says:

    Does anyone remember back when “The Phantom Prince” was first published? Was it a bestseller at the time? How was it received? Was it a big deal or not?

  22. KYGB says:

    It wasn’t a best seller and only had the initial printing. Many people panned the book because it was lacking in any information about the murders.

    I really liked the work. “Prince” gave you a sense of what Ted’s outward appearance was really like. How it felt to know and associate with a guy that would disappear for a few days, then pop back into place.

    It didn’t sell well, but has been used as the source for a movie and was also used in that TV docudrama that was on recently.

    Because it only had the one printing, it’s expensive to buy. Somebody back upstream physically scanned in the book, so if that link is still alive you could read the material. It’s a good, quick read and another slant on the case.

  23. Shelley says:

    Thanks, KYGB. I have read and, like you, I enjoyed it. An unique contribution. I am surprised it wasn’t a hot seller at least for a while when it first came out. However, I understand that some people were really anti-Liz at the time although that’s not exactly fair.

  24. Fiz says:

    It was published by Madrona Press in Seattle. Perhaps it was only a small local publisher with a short print run? I have a copy of it. It cost me £35 fifteen years ago.

  25. Kevin M Sullivan says:

    Hi all!

    As you may already know, I’m once again on the Bundy trail, and I’m making short videos every day. If you’d like to see them, go to WildBlue press as they’re posting them. The first posted is from the Wildwood Inn.

    See ya!

  26. KYGB says:

    A Bundy video diary, eh Kevin?

    Here’s the linky, there are already 3 interesting vignettes on there.

  27. K says:

    Occasionally Ted Bundy crosses my mind, I am taken on a mental journey back forty years in Kentucky, when I believe I met this man. I would love to share privately what I recall.

  28. Kevin M Sullivan says:

    Hi K

    You can email me at kevin_sullivan31@yahoo.com

    The only valid info I have about Bundy and Kentucky is that he stopped in Louisville to have breakfast when he was on the run and immediately left the city afterward. He told Ron Holmes he didn’t hunt any women here, and that he got right back on the freeway. That’s my only verifiable KY info.

  29. Brad says:

    Hi all,

    I have arrived in the US from Australia. I visited lake sammamish yesterday and discovered that the original toilet block has been replaced by a new one. Significant in context of bundy history as I believe he scouted victims from this amentity building.

    I got a wonderful feel for the geography and energy of the area and tried to mentally time travel to 40 years ago. I questioned my interest in such matters, whilst others where going about their recreational activities, here I was trying to recreate the mystery of the events that took place. Preservation of history is important for future generations who have an interest in the misguided legacy of bundy.

    1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hey Brad,

      I was at Lake Sammamish several days ago as I’m again on the Bundy trail. You, and everyone at ET can find the videos I made at many different locations at WildBlue Press. They’re on utube I think, at bundytrail1. Anyway…

      While there, I noticed they’ve torn down the bathroom where Denise Naslund encounters Bundy. But the restroom on the other side is original and remains intact

  30. Larry G says:

    Kevin, Fantastic!! Awesome news. I know I speak for everyone when I say we’re thirsting for more details and depth on the cases. I have always thought that a book giving the public more details on the victims’ lives that haven’t been published would be most interesting. I really enjoyed the “Remembering the Victims” page on Facebook and seeing all the new photos of the women that have been posted there. I hope you’ll be able to talk to people that knew them so their stories are told. And hopefully get and publish some never before seen pictures? And as you may remember I’ve always been intrigued as to whether the Issaquah crime scene is still there at all-if the logging road still goes up there or has the whole hillside been developed. Hopefully you’ll find out?

    I was reading some of the recent posts and don’t know if anyone has asked….why hasn’t Mike Fisher ever been interviewed in any Bundy documentary? It’s crazy that he hasn’t. A couple years back there was a YouTube video of him sitting with a beer at a family picnic discussing the cases, can you believe that’s the only video footage of him talking about the cases?

    Watched the video clips of your tour, great stuff, you’re taking us everywhere we would like to go but can’t afford :). By the way, I hope you take this as a compliment-if you put on a fedora and sunglasses you would be a mirror image of Heisenberg!

    Best, thanks, and glad to see the great news!

    -Larry G

  31. Kevin M Sullivan says:

    Hi Larry G! (Yes, I’ve gotten the Heisenberg thing before, lol!)

    Well, I never expected to be on this trail again, but here I am! And now that I am, I’m looking forward to all the interesting discoveries, as it were.

    I’m back in the zone lol! :)

  32. Shelley says:

    Ann Rule has died. She was 83. :-(

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Her books will live on.

      1. Hal says:

        I think we’ll be getting a lot of that in the next few years. R.I.P. Ann.

        Someone who is still with us is Bob Hayward, no less than the man who caught Bundy. He has resurfaced giving a 37 minute tour of the Bundy car-chase and sharing his recollections:


        And for anyone who missed it or is outside the USA, the recent Bundy doc is also available now on youtube. The parts of it that include the recent dramatization though, are enough to make sure you wont want to ever bother with it.

  33. Ted Montgomery says:

    I’ll miss Ann Rule. I spoke with her many times over the years (she grew up not far from where I did) and she was unfailingly gracious, kind and warm. Prayers to her family and friends.

  34. Fiz says:

    So will I, Ted. We emailed each other quite a lot over the years. I was a fan of hers from 1983 and hers was the first website I ever visited. I cried when a Facebook friend told me Ann had died and I still feel upset. I knew she had been in poor health for some time and her daughter Leslie told us that dear Ann was in hospital with pneumonia last week. I still can’t bear to think that Ann has gone. I will miss her more than I can say.

  35. Ted Montgomery says:

    Hang in there, Fiz. Ann definitely lived a rich and meaningful life.

  36. Fiz says:

    She certainly did. Thanks, Ted. x

  37. KYGB says:

    That’s a great interview with Bob Hayward you posted, Hal.

    This video interview was mentioned above. I had lost track of it on You Tube and happened to run across it again.

    It is with Mike Fisher who conducted the Colorado investigation of Ted. The video has a definite “homemade” quality. It takes place in a park in Carbondale Colorado. The audio is troubled by vehicle noise and kids playing. I like any interview with two guys drinking beers in a park.

    Check it out at:

  38. Jason Nelson says:

    Hey everyone

    Here is an excerpt of the psychological evaluation Dr Emanuel Tanay conducted on Ted Bundy on the eve of his trial in Florida. It contains portions of the three hour interview he had with Bundy.


  39. montano says:

    I happened to get across you website and I’m greatful for the memory of my father Antonio Riva killed on August 17, 1951 you recalled in 2010 issue- I just wanted to add a note.
    For your information there is a book written by my aunt Peter Lum “Peking 1950-53″ in which she talks about what happened in 1951. This book has been translated in Italian by my wife in 2006 “Ritorno a Pechino 1950-53″ and from this book Barbara Alighiero and others have focused back the attention on the story, This changing a previous attitude, specially among journalists which was “if it happened he should have been in some way involved”. Reason for which we never accepted interviews until five years ago.
    Nowadays at least in Italy the overall thought is – as Alighiero states in her book – that my father’s case has been created on purpose because they needed to have one. And he was unfortunately the proper person, being born in China, representing a State that had lost the War and was unable and unwilling to defend him.
    Thank you for your kind and appreciated attention

  40. KYGB says:

    Montano, you are in the right church, but sitting in the wrong pew.

    You’ve made your comment in a thread about Ted Bundy.

    The thread about your father is located here:


    You have my sympathy, your dad got a raw deal.

  41. Shelley says:

    Jason: Thanks! Great link. I read his book “American Legal Injustice”. It’s a good one!

  42. Jason Nelson says:

    That’s okay Shelley.

    It’s striking how calm and collected Bundy is with Tanay with the forthcoming trial about to take place and the possibility of facing execution at the end of it.

    1. Tony says:

      Is Kevin writing another book about the case?

  43. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hi Tony…

    Yes, I am writing a companion volume to THE BUNDY MURDERS. It will have a lot of new case file information that didn’t make it into the first book, as well as new testimony from those involved in the case. I’ll also be adding new photographs of the sites today; pictures I took last month during our work trip to Utah, Colorado, Idaho, Washington State, and Oregon.

    Btw; I have videos I did while there, and you can access those here (WildBlue press is holding a few back to make a compilation video with all of my videos as well as other Bundy related material they’re adding):


    1. Tony says:

      I seem to recall, a few years back, someone posting on here that they thought they’d found the wooded area or whatever where he’d taken Georgann Hawkins. (The place he describes in detail in his audiotaped confessions to Keppel). Did you manage to track that place down?

  44. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    No. They have a general idea (based on what Bundy told them) of where he placed her severed head, although they never located it. Of course, the rest of the remains were discovered along with Naslund and Ott, and they absolutely know that location.

    This means Bundy dumped Hawkins’ body (minus the head) a number of weeks before placing the Lake Sammamish victims there.

  45. sandra j says:

    dear kevin. I have tried in vane to find out what became of the families of his victims such as Janice otts husband. did he remarry or denise oliverson husband. what became of Roberta parks father, did he succumb to his illness due to what happened to his daughter? these are the questions I have. what happened to those left behind. they are just as much victims as the girls themselves and no one ever seems to address this aspect of the story. what about teds family-mother,step-father, his brothers and sisters. Liz and her daughter as well as carole and her daughter. I wish someone would delve into this part of the story. they deserve to have their feelings made known as to how this affected the rest of their lives as well. enough has been said about the monster who was responsible for so much heartbreak and loss . these poor girls deserve to have their story told so that their lives,no matter how short, have meaning instead of just being victims and statistics. I look forward to what ever you can come up with as far as the loved ones are concerned. thank you

  46. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hi Sandra,

    These are good questions and your concerns are valid.

    The first thing I’d like to say is that some of these folks want to be left alone. Louise and John Bundy are now dead. But even before they died, they wanted to be left alone. Their children are the same way. Liz Kendall, despite her writing a book about her life with Ted, will not talk with folks, but refers them to her attorney.

    On rare occasions, I will hear from friends of the victims, and it’s always good to do so.

    I too wonder about the families of the victims. I’ll never forget the “biography” that Kathy Parks’ grandfather wrote concerning her. It was tough to read, and I still have it as I do all of the case material. I’m sure he’s gone now, as it’s been 40 years since these things occurred.

    I don’t know about Kathy’s dad, but i know someone who knew Kathy in high school, so perhaps he knows. I’ll let you know what i find out from him.

    I’m hoping to include new testimony from some of these folks for the new book. It’s getting them to talk that’s the real challenge.

    Take care,


  47. Shelley says:

    Kevin: I don’t think you will mind me plugging a new book by Al Carlisle because you are friends with him too. :-)

    Dr. Carlisle’s second book in his “Development of the Violent Mind” series is out. The first book was “I’m Not Guilty” about Ted Bundy. This second book is called “Mind of the Devil” and he covers the cases of two serial killers; Wesley Dodd and Art Bishop. The eBook on Amazon.com is $3.97. A great buy! A great book.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      I don’t mind at all, Shelley, lol! :)


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Execution Playing Cards

Exclusively available on this site: our one-of-a-kind custom playing card deck.

Every card features a historical execution from England, France, Germany, or Russia!

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