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1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer

January 24th, 2009 Headsman

Qu’est-ce que c’est?

It was 20 years today that Ted Bundy, the signature sexual psychopath in a golden age of serial killers,* rode the lightning in Florida’s Starke Prison.

Executed Today is pleased to mark the occasion with a conversation with Louisville crime writer Kevin M. Sullivan, author of a forthcoming2009 book on Ted Bundy … and a man who knows how the world looks from inside Bundy’s ski mask.


Ted Bundy is obviously one of the most iconic, written-about serial killers in history. Why a book about Ted Bundy? What’s the untold story that you set out to uncover?

The desire, or drive, if you will, to write an article about Ted Bundy and then create a 120,000 plus word book about the murders, was born out of my crossing paths with his infamous murder kit. Had Jerry Thompson [a key detective on the Bundy case -ed.] left Bundy’s stuff in Utah that May of 2005, well, it would have been an enjoyable meeting with the former detective, but I’m certain it would have all ended quietly there. Indeed, I doubt if I’d even considered writing an article for Snitch [a now-defunct crime magazine -ed.], much less a book about the killings. But it was having all that stuff in my hands, and in my home, and then being given one of the Glad bags from Ted’s VW that made it very real (or surreal) to me, and from this, a hunger to find out more about the crimes led me forward.


Ted Bundy’s gear, right where you want it — image courtesy of Kevin M. Sullivan. (Check the 1975 police photo for confirmation.)

Believe me, in a thousand years, I never would have expected such a thing to ever come my way. I can’t think of anything more odd or surreal.

ET: You mentioned that you think you’ve been able to answer some longstanding questions about Bundy’s career. Can you give us some hints? What don’t people know about Ted Bundy that they ought to know?

I must admit, when I first decided to write a book about the crimes, I wasn’t sure what I’d find, so the first thing I had to do was read every book ever written about Bundy, which took the better portion of three or four months.

From this I took a trip to Utah to again meet with Thompson and check out the sites pertaining to Bundy and the murders in that state. Next came the acquisition of case files from the various states and the tracking down of those detectives who participated in the hunt for the elusive killer.

Now, no one could have been more surprised than me to begin discovering what I was discovering about some of these murders. But as I kept hunting down the right people and the right documents, I was able to confirm these “finds” at every turn. And while I cannot reveal everything here, It’s all in the book in great detail. Indeed, you could say that my book is not a biography in the truest sense, but rather an in-depth look at Bundy and the murders from a vantage point that is quite unique. I wish I could delve further into these things now , but I must wait until it’s published.

The Bundy story has a magnetic villain and a host of victims … was there a hero? Was there a lesson?

The real heroes in this story are the detectives who worked day and night for years to bring Ted Bundy to justice. And if there’s a lesson to be learned from all of this, it is this: It doesn’t matter how handsome or articulate a person might be, or how nicely they smile at you, for behind it all, there could reside the most diabolical person you’ll ever meet! We need to remember this.

But how can you act on that lesson without living in a continual state of terror? Bundy strikes me as so far outside our normal experience, even the normal experience of criminality, that I’m inclined to wonder how much can be generalized from him.

Actually, (and I might say, thank God here!) people as “successful” as Ted Bundy don’t come our way very often. I mean, the guy was a rising star in the Republican Party in Washington, had influential friends, a law student, and certainly appeared to be going places in life. Some were even quite envious of his ascension in life. However, it was all a well-placed mask that he wore to cover his true feelings and intentions. On the outside he was perfect, but on the inside a monster. He just didn’t fit the mold we’re used to when we think of a terrible killer, does he?

Now, there are those among us — sociopaths — who can kill or do all manner of terrible things in life and maintain the nicest smile upon their faces, but again, just beneath the surface ticks the heart of a monster, or predator, or what ever you might want to call them. Having said that, I’m not a suspicious person by nature, and so I personally judge people by their outward appearance until shown otherwise. Still, it’s difficult (if not impossible) to see the “real” individual behind the person they present to us on a daily basis.

You worked with case detectives in researching your book. How did the Ted Bundy case affect the way law enforcement has subsequently investigated serial killers? If they had it to do over again, what’s the thing you think they’d have done differently?

They all agree that today, DNA would play a part of the investigation that wasn’t available then. However, in the early portion of the murders, Bundy made few if any mistakes, as he had done his homework so as to avoid detection. As such, even this wouldn’t be a panacea when it came to a very mobile killer like Bundy who understood the very real limitations sometimes surrounding homicide investigations.

I can’t help but ask about these detectives as human beings, too. Clearly they’re in a position to deal with the heart of darkness in the human soul day in and day out and still lead normal lives … is a Ted Bundy the kind of killer that haunts or scars investigators years later, or is this something most can set aside as all in a day’s work?

They are, first of all, very nice people. And you can’t be around them (either in person, or through numerous phone calls or emails) for very long before you understand how dedicated they are (or were) in their careers as police officers. They are honorable people, with a clear sense of duty, and without such people, we, as a society, would be in dire circumstances indeed.

Even before Bundy came along, these men were veteran investigators who had seen many bad things in life, so they carried a toughness which allowed them to deal with the situations they came up against in a professional manner. That said, I remember Jerry Thompson telling me how he looked at Ted one day and thought how much he reminded him of a monster, or a vampire of sorts. And my book contains a number of exchanges between the two men (including a chilling telephone call) which demonstrate why he felt this way

How about for you, as a writer — was there a frightening, creepy, traumatic moment in your research that really shook you? Was there an emotional toll for you?

Absolutely. But the degree of “shock”, if you will, depends (at least for me) on what I know as I first delve into each murder. In the Bundy cases I had a general knowledge of how Bundy killed, so there wasn’t a great deal that caught me by surprise, as it were. Even so, as a writer, you tend to get to know the victims very well through the case files, their family members or friends, and so on. Hence, I’ll continue to carry with me many of the details of their lives and deaths for the remainder of my life. And so, lasting changes are a part of what we do.

However, I did a story a few years back about a 16 year old girl who was horribly murdered here in Kentucky, and this case did cause me to wake up in the night in a cold sweat. Perhaps it was because I have a daughter that was, at the time, only a few years younger than this girl, and that some of what transpired did catch me off guard, so to speak, as I began uncovering just what had happened to this very nice kid.

Watch for Kevin M. Sullivan’s forthcoming The Bundy Murders: A Comprehensive History from McFarland in summer or fall of 2009.

* In fact, the term “serial killer” was coined in the 1970’s by FBI profiler Robert Ressler, as an improvement on the sometimes inaccurate category of “stranger killer”.


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8,301 thoughts on “1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer”

  1. Brad says:

    Hey, Kevin

    I just listened to your interview on the “Spaced Out
    Radio” podcast. I have one comment.

    As per the host’s insistence that Bundy should not have been executed, at least until the families of the missing women and girls were able to have closure, finding out where their daughters/sisters were – if I recall correctly, most if not all of them WERE contacted. If not by the investigators themselves, then by various state authorities or Bundy’s attorneys (Jim Coleman, Polly Nelson and Diana Weiner), or even victims advocates to see if they wanted the execution postponed for that very reason. According to the late Ann Rule in “The Stranger Beside Me”, to a man and woman, all refused to intercede for Bundy.

    I was surprised you didn’t make that point.

    1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Well, he’s a very anti death penalty guy anyway, and usually anti death penalty prople will use any and all excuses to keep these turds alive; and that may have been going on with this fellow.

      You’re correct: I don’t believe any of the family members of the victims were wanting Bundy to stay alive. There may have been some, but I’m not aware of them.

      1. All but one refused to intercede. From her own agonizing experience, she understood what the rest were enduring. As much as she wanted Bundy dead, if any good could come from a delay, she would accept it. Although she was probably the one most devastated by Bundy’s depravity, she was the only one who put the interests of others above her own. Her name was Eleanor Rose.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          I was thinking about Denise’s mom when I wrote my post, but honestly, I can’t remember how she felt about that at the end. I know prior to his execution, she was practically begging Bundy to give her info, but Ted, being a mean bastard, refused. And I recall a heart-rending article about her after he was put to death, and she looked so extremely sad in the picture they took while the reporter was interviewing her at her house. But I do not recall her speaking about that issue at the time, but perhaps I’ve forgotten it.

          Are you aware that King Country lost Denise’s remains? Not only did she lose her daughter to murder, but the incompetence of the authorities denied her the actual burial of her child. Unbelievable.

          1. The remains of Ott were also misplaced. Th county settled financially, but that’s no substitute.

            Bundy didn’t reply to lEleanor’s letters because he was mean but rather because, with his appeals intact, he simply couldn’t talk about specifics.

            In the late 80’s, I saw a TV interview with Eleanor. Her pain and sadness were clearly apparent.

            After the execution, Eleanor tracked down Bobby Lewis, Ted’s closest prison friend, and began corresponding him. He told me about how devastated she was saying, “I sure don’t want to hurt only help this woman.”

          2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Yeah, I only called Bundy a mean bastard because he caused so many people so much pain. And Denise’s mom suffered terribly from it. Indeed, all the families were never the same. How could they be?

            I do wish Bundy would have reached out to Eleanore just before he was put to death, just as he came clean on the Denise Oliverson and Susan Curtis murders. Just a few words would have helped her immensely.

        2. Brad says:

          Where did you hear/read that? From everything I read and heard from that time, Eleanor Rose was the most adamant that he be executed on time, with NO delays.

          And, as I pointed out, not one of the families of the MISSING (the ones who supposedly would have benefited) supported a delay. They saw through Bundy’s obvious delaying tactics, and refused to help.

          1. The source was a 1/19/89 Seattle P-I article, “Bundy Offer: Let Me Live a While and I’ll Talk” by Steve Militech. It doesn’t seem to be available on the internet anymore. To quote the pertinent details:

            “Relatives of at least two Seattle area women [Healy and Ott] believed to be among Bundy’s victims said that as far as they’re concerned, Florida can go ahead and pull the switch. But the mother of another Seattle victim said she would favor a short delay if it meant the truth would come out.

            “… [detail about Healy and Ott]”

            “Eleanor Rose, the mother of another presumed Bundy victim, said she would favor a short delay in the execution if he is willing to provide conclusive information. Rose, who still keeps her daughter’s room much as the young woman left it, has been haunted for years by the killing.

            “I would like him to confess, said Rose, whose daughter, Denise Naslund, disappeared from Lake Sammamish State Park the same day as Ott.”

            Apparently Rule missed this article.

            Regarding your comment that “not one of the families of the MISSING … supported a delay,” anyone publicly known in January, 1989 to have had contact with Bundy, such as Bundy’s spiritual advisor John Tanner and Washington Secretary of State Ralph Munro were besieged by families with missing daughters asking that the execution be delayed so they could learn if Bundy had or had not been responsible for the fate of their daughters.

  2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    For those who missed it, here’s the Ted Bundy “Trail” photos…

    (Btw: Today, July 14, 2017, is the 43rd anniversary of the double-abduction at Lake Sammamish)

    https://wildbluepress.com/bundy-photos/

    1. Corey R says:

      My God, how time flies! I will make it over there some day!

      Has it changed much since 1974? Or is it just the same as it used to be?

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        Much of it is the same. Since I was there in July 2015, the Bundy home at 658 Skyline Drive has been refurbished on the inside. I spoke to the owner and her son when I was there and they invited me in to see the place, but I foolishly (lol!) turned them down. (What was I thinking? lol!) And of course, Dante’s Tavern had a fire and is permanently closed, and that’s a bummer. But much of it is the same.

        The same goes for Oregon State University. It looks almost identical to when Kathy Parks attended. Utah looks much the same as well, except for the Fashion Place Mall which in now unrecognizable on the one side of the outside of the mall, due to newer construction. The Colorado sites look much the same too. So if you have a chance to go in the future, do so. It’s very interesting to see these places up close and personal. And be sure to take your Bundy books with you! :)

  3. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hi all!

    Check out the Kathy Parks abduction site photos. I forgot to add these the other night, but better late than never, right? Lol!

    https://wildbluepress.com/bundy-photos/

  4. Brad says:

    I wonder if anybody here (including Kevin) has read or purchased the book “Ted Bundy: A Visual Timeline” by Dr. Robert Dielenberg? I was considering getting it to add to my collection.

    Thoughts?

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Brad,

      Yes, I do have a copy, and while it’s not a biography of Ted, it is an interesting book. However, the author attacks me (by name!) in it in several places, and I had to take him to task over it, Indeed, if you follow this link you can read my review of his work; and don’t forget to read the comments as well, as even more info is revealed pertaining to his attack upon me.

      Good to hear from you, Brad.

      https://www.amazon.com/dp/0994579217

      1. Corey R says:

        Rob Dielenberg has a personality disorder. He’s rude, sarcastic, caustic, and just plain unprofessional. The amount of people he’s alienated on his page is astounding – I feel for those who work with him because they do a great job and are forced to clean up his mess (in other words, having to apologise for him all the time). It’s a shame – he’s written a good book… but it’s kind of like when you meet your favourite musicians and they turn out to be complete A-holes – you don’t ever wanna listen to their music again.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Hi Cory,

          I can tell you that I have a lot of contacts in the “Bundy” world, from detectives, to writers, to agents, etc, and I can tell you that Dielenberg does not have a good reputation with many of them.

          And of course, if you’ve read his book you can see how he attacked me. And I’ve answered his petty charges in my review of his book on Amazon.

          Take care,

          Kevin

          1. Brad says:

            Hey, Kevin

            I read your review, and I agree with you on these points. Also, as Corey R has pointed out, Mr. Dielenberg does seem to have an attitude problem towards those who disagree with him on any point. However, you called his book interesting, and as a visual guide, it might be good companion to your books, as well as the others. His attitude problems aside, anyway.

            Anyhow, what do you think? Am I right on the last point, and should I buy it?

          2. Kevin M Sullivan says:

            Hi Brad,

            Yes, it’s an interesting book for what it is. In my view, it will never be in the same category as the in-depth biographies. But as s visual timeline, it’s interesting and worth having. There are, as I said in my review, numerous mistakes in the book ( I believe they corrected two after I pointed them out lol!), but there are many others. You’ll also see a good deal of speculation, which, to be honest, is not a bad thing if it’s pointed out as such, because there is a sense of mystery attached to parts to the Bundy case. Where Dielenberg got it wrong with me, I believe, is because he just didn’t know the case as well as I do. Plus, he had an agenda with me- it became personal to him- and that is an odd aspect as well. But all in all, for what the book is ( I DO NOT consider it ground breaking!) it’s worth having.

            As far as the book and me? I’m glad I picked up a copy, and a good deal of the book can be attributed to the hard work of Chris Mortensen, his American contact. I like Chris and I think he did an excellent job helping him. So I like the book, I don’t like or respect Dielenberg, and I like Chris.

          3. Corey R says:

            Absolutely agree. Chris is great, and that book could not have been written without him. There are some snippets in the book that have never been revealed before, and it’s the closest a study will ever get to the ‘diseased mind’ aspect of the Bundy story. But yeah, the attacks on Sullivan undermine it, and lace the whole project with ego. And why the competition? I mean, who wants to be the ‘only word to rely on about Ted’?? No one will ever figure the guy out, no one will ever fill in those mystery blanks of incidents no one can figure out. To carry on like the ‘Bundy know-it-all’ is kinda laughable. I’d rather have civilised discussions with Bundy-philes that like to trade theories and information, not get criticised by the ultimate Bundy nutbag who refuses to see past his own nose.

          4. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Yeah, Dielenberg does have his issues lol!

            And yes, some snippets of new stuff that is indeed interesting; but nothing, in my opinion, that can be considered ground-breaking or of great revelation, i.e. no new revelations about the murders.

            But something to go along with the biographies – a coffee table book, if you will ? Yes, it’s a very good book; minus the shots at me of course, lol!

          5. Brad says:

            Just a quick question – would this Chris Mortensen fellow be the same guy who has a number of YouTube videos under the pseudonym “Captain Borax II”? I’ve seen his Bundy location videos, and he promotes Dielenberg’s book. Also, he has several interview videos, including with Jerry Thompson, and Bob Hayward (who actually took him on a ride showing him the route where he chased Bundy the night his exposure finally began).

            I’ve posted questions on these videos, and he’s quite friendly in his responses. That’s why I’m wondering if he’s this Mr. Mortensen.

          6. Kevin M Sullivan says:

            Hey Brad,

            Yes, Chris is Captain Borax, and he is a very nice guy. And he provided Dielenberg with info he’d obtained that Dielenberg would have never gotten his hands upon. Without these contributions, the book would be far less interesting, in my opinion.

          7. Brad says:

            That settles it, then. I’ll buy it.

  5. Jack says:

    Concerning the new Bundy film which is now regrettably starring Zack Effron, I would care to say that over three years ago when the script for that movie made the prestigious Hollywood “Black List,” I made efforts to see if I could track down the script.

    Being a screenplay that had that much attention drawn to it, I didn’t have to look hard to find it online. It really is quite good, as both a piece of writing and a character driven story.

    Firstly, and please remember, this was a draft three years ago, this is a film that cannot contain its secret. The secret of the film is it’s about Ted Bundy. The film is never forthcoming that it is a serial killer biopic until the last scene and you can’t fool audiences since the dawn of the Internet. The character of “Ted” is never called Ted Bundy. He’s never shown doing anything violent. This is a film from Bundy’s perspective: an innocent man on trial for his life.

    It starts with the Utah arrest and ends with Liz and Ted’s last meeting. So the story really explores the trials and Ted’s flights from justice. In that respect, the script has no murder scenes. It projects Ted as the hero. Only in the last scene do we realize our narrator has been unreliable and that this innocuous character Ted is Ted Bundy.

    For this reason, the “big moment” will never work. Publicity will ensure everyone that buys a ticket knows it’s about Ted Bundy. I would suspect this is what landed the script on the blacklist in the first place: it’s a brilliantly written character story with an ending that can’t work because it’s telegraphed by its very existence.

    I wanted to let people know though that the script I have is very well written and researched and seems like the blueprint of a pretty good movie. It certainly won’t be like any of the other Bundy films. It’s mostly based on Liz’s book and their realationship.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Jack,

      Well, while I don’t mind ZE playing the part, I hope it isn’t exactly how you describe. I think it’s time for a movie that will portray the murders accurately and stay clear of making it a fictionalized account. If they’re going to do it from Liz’s perspective, then they need to show what Bundy was doing almost the entire time he was with her.

      My 2 cents, anyway.

  6. Bob says:

    I just moved to the Philadelphia area and plan on tracking down some of the places that Ted visited, where he lived, where he went to college and other relevant locations.
    I am particularly interested in finding the location of the house where he lived as an infant before he and his mother moved to Washington State. Would a visit to Philadelphia City Hall and some time researching the Deeds under the name Cowell provide the address?
    Does any one else have some suggestions that may help me find this elusive place?
    Thank You, Bob

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hey Bob,

      Yes, if you do some research, you’ll be able to find the address. I mention an address in my book The Bundy Murders about where Bundy returned to (a home that belonged to the Cowell family) when he went back East to attend Temple Univ. However, that does not look old enough to be the house where everyone was living back in 1946, but who knows? . So yes, search it out and let us know what you come up with. :)

  7. I see from Kevin Sullivan’s April 2 post that he has no compunction about asserting that anyone with whom he disagrees should be subjected to ridicule. As bad as that is, it is astonishing that he would take such a position when he is simultaneously demonstrating that he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. Sullivan agrees with Tony that I am “touched in the head,” but Tony is talking about Carrie White, not about me.

    Sullivan doesn’t get it. He sees what he wants to see, not what’s really there. His conclusions are tainted by his expectations. This appears to be as true of his researching Bundy as it is of his researching me. It is not a good way to be when one is dealing with a con man, who will always say what one wants to hear.

  8. Jason Nelson says:

    Zac Efron signed on to play Ted Bundy: –

    http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/848633-zac-efron-ted-bundy

    Production starts this october. Kevin, your phone should start to ring soon.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      If they call, Jason, I will answer. lol!

      1. craig says:

        Same story..different actors. Hope the new movie is at least accurate. One movie had bundy abducting two victims on the same day from a parking garage instead of Lake Sam.
        Just my opinion but I think it would take a movie at least 30 hours long to portray the horror of bundy’s crimes, his apprehensions, escapes and courtroom performances and the best part: his EXECUTION!

  9. Fiz says:

    So they claim, Meaghan. I wonder if they are only saying it to drum up interest in the house. I wouldn’t want to buy it but some people are very strange! ????

  10. Meaghan says:

    Contractors are currently renovating the house where Ted grew up. They think it’s haunted. http://katu.com/news/local/contractors-claim-bizarre-events-at-home-where-killer-ted-bundy-grew-up

    1. Brad says:

      Just wondering – is the one cop in the top pic Mike Fisher (on Bundy’s left)? I’d seen similar pics from Bundy’s first recapture with the same mustached cop, and thought it was him. Just wasn’t sure.

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        Hey Brad,

        There’s a pic of Mike in the first edition of The Only Living Witness. Although both Mike and the man in these”new” pictures (some are not new at all) have a mustache, I don’t think they are the same men. At least, that’s how I see it.

  11. Tony says:

    Apologies if folks have seen this already:

    https://theodorerobertcowellnelsonbundy.wordpress.com/

    This blogger claims to have obtained some audiotapes of Bill Hagmaier’s interviews with Bundy and made them available on his blog. I haven’t listened to them yet, so no idea if they’re authentic.

    Be advised, I think the guy who runs this particular blog is a little touched in the head… err, LoL. So you may not wanna delve too deep! In particular, he makes some disturbing comments on some of the victims in his review of one of the movies based on Bundy.

    Cheers!

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Tony…

      Yes, those tapes are legit. He obtained them through the Freedom of Information Act. In it Bundy admits, among other things, to decapitating 12 of his victims.

      As far as the guy and his theories on the case? Yes, they will differ from most who follow the case, so I get your disclaimer lol!

      1. Tony says:

        Were you able to listen to them in their entirety? I listened to the first 16 minutes or so before it cut off… I keep trying to restart it, refresh the page, etc. but it’s no use.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          I believe mine cut off too. But I also read the transcript that he produced from the tape. However, at the time I read it he hadn’t completed transcribing everything. Perhaps he’s finished now, and if so, I’ll go back and read the rest.

  12. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    The Bundy Secrets

    99 cents!

    And for a limited time only!

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5N3PZS

  13. Judy T says:

    So, every time I read another Bundy book, I tend to get opionated again. So I want to give my views on the whole porn thing. I do not believe that regular porn played any role in the murders and other acts committed by Bundy. I believe the reason he did the interview with Dobson is because Bundy tended to want to please people in his own way. He ended up saying what Dobson wanted to hear. And since Bundy never wanted to believe or have other people believe that he was actually responsible for his own crimes, at the time porn seemed like just as good an excuse as any to try to say ” I’m not such a bad guy after all, porn made me do it.” I believe his second agenda was to still try to win over some of the victims families, although he said he didn’t want to have the tape air until after his death, maybe he thought that Dobson would go to the governor or to some of the parents to try to intervene on his behalf. One phrase he said in particular, “killing me won’t restore those BEAUTIFUL children to their parents.” YEp, he was REALLY pouring it on. The second part of my opinion is that if any of you have ever seen the documentary “Natural Porn Killer” they show some covers of what could either be called detective magazines or comic books? On the cover there are pictures of girls tied up, screaming, being strangled,etc. If anything had an influence on him, I believe it was these type publications, whatever they be called. However, they cannot be blamed for what he became, rather, they might have fueled it a litttle, because what type of person looks at something like a girl getting strangled/tortured and gets turned on? Something was wrong somewhere before he ever viewed that type of material. Just my opinion…
    Judy

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      You’re correct, Judy, porn had nothing to do with what Bundy became. Porn has many, many negatives, but it doesn’t cause men to want to cut the heads off women and have sex with them. Bundy always fueled sex with fantasies of violence and sadistic acts. It all became one to him.

    2. craig says:

      Hi Judy…you are absolutely correct…bundy was laying it on thick during the interview trying to do a con job on Dr. Dobson.. He only thought the girls were “beautiful” after he had brutally murdered them. And those tears he was crying…
      they were only for himself….he had no compassion for any other living being….look at what he did to his own family!!
      The hell that he put them though was unbelievable. I think I read in one book where he was quoted that he was “happy with who he was” something like that.

  14. Brad says:

    Hey, everyone:

    There’s this YouTuber named Rob Dyke whose channel I’ve subscribed to who does some interesting video series. One of these is called “Serial Killer Files”, and he recently posted one about Bundy. Outside of a couple of small errors, I thought it was pretty well done. Anyone else here see it? Thoughts?

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hey Brad,

      Can you provide a link? Thanks.

      1. Brad says:

        Oops, my bad. Should have thought of that…

        here’s the link:

        “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVv_lvaGYWE”

        (remove the quotation marks, of course. I included them because without them the video was embedded, and I don’t know if that’s against the rules here.)

  15. Judy T says:

    I would like to say one more thing about the Anne Burr case. Whether Ted did it or not, it annoys me that certain people, such as an author who wrote a book about it, will go out of their way to exaggerate the facts to try to prove that he did it. One author titled their book “Ted and Ann” and captioned underneath the title “the story of Ann Burr and her NEIGHBOR Ted Bundy”, when in reality, they didn’t even live on the same street, but rather a couple miles away. That is hardly a neighbor.
    In relation to this blog and the author Kevin Sullivan, I will say once again, besides his meticulous research, he told the story without prejudice or exaggerations as many authors sometimes do. For example, I have read many times about the time Ted, as a young child, placed a “bunch” of knives around his sleeping aunt, when in reality, it was only three knives. And it is okay for an author to convey an opinion as to whether or not they believe he killed someone or not, it is also okay to state a very obvious fact “he was a heartless and cold blooded killer. Yet I have seen some authors go out of their way to add personal insults about the criminal they are writing about. It is okay to have those opinions about certain said criminals, but when one goes out of their way to keep adding insults and judgement, I think it takes away from the facts if the story isn’t told with a certain degrees of neutrality. Just my opinion, and I think Mr. Sullivan stands out as an author who told the story in a great way.
    Judy

    1. Jana says:

      Not to be an ass, but technically three knives is a “bunch of knives”. And unless you have the specific quote from the aunt, I don’t think it’s exaggerating to use that phrase.

      1. Judy T says:

        I will have to try to find which book I read it in for sure, but I think it was Rebecca Morris’s book Ted and Ann where she interviewed the aunt and she said it was three steak knives.

    2. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hi Judy!

      First, thanks for the good words about me (I’ll take ‘me lol!). Also, I was never sure just how many knives Ted used. But it wouldn’t surprise me if it was only 3. He was a kid and no doubt somewhat driven to do it, and the number of knives didn’t matter.

      Thanks again!

      Kevin

      1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

        That should have said “I’ll take ‘em…

        1. Judy T says:

          You’re right it didn’t matter how many, I read in one book that he had gotten every knife in the kitchen and placed them in bed with her. And you’re welcome for the compliments. I’m not saying that other books written about Bundy weren’t good as well, but your was certainly better than most. Some offer different insights, such as Polly Nelson’s about the legal aspects…Liz Kendall’s about how he acted trying to have a normal relationship…and then there are some that basically repeat the same info with a few variations here and there. But yours stands out in several ways…that’s all for now lol

  16. Judy T says:

    Just wanted to throw my opinion about something long debated about Bundy out there..In my personal opinion, I do not think that he killed Anne Marie Burr. If he had, I believe during that day and time, I believe there would have been a lot more murders and or disappeared girls from back then. He probably wouldn’t have been able to stop once he committed his first. I’m certainly not saying it isn’t a possibility that he killed her, just my opinion of why I don’t think he did.

    1. Meaghan says:

      I run the Charley Project, a missing persons database that has Ann Marie Burr listed (and 9,500 others), and have a blog to go with it. One of my regular blog features is something called “Let’s Talk About It” where I invite people to discuss a case that’s perplexing or unusual in some way and, unlike most cases, it isn’t immediately obvious what must have happened. I did a “Let’s Talk About It” for the Ann Marie Burr case, the discussion question being basically “Did Ted do it or didn’t he?” You can see the blog entry and comments discussion here: https://charleyross.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/lets-talk-about-it-ann-marie-burr/

      1. Judy T says:

        Thanks for the link, will check it out.
        Judy

    2. Paul says:

      Sorry, have to disagree. There’s just too many circumstantial coincidences. I believe that Ann-Marie’s father knows who he saw that morning, and that Ted was fantasising and planning these things from way earlier than 14. I also believe what Art Norman says Ted told him. Murdering her does not mean Ted would then continue to kill. Perhaps the massive national attention the case attracted scared Ted into behaving himself, until 1966, when those airline stewardesses were attacked. Sorry, but it’s too much of an ask for me to accept that Ted DIDN’T do these. There wasn’t a single motive or clue pointing to anyone else – no ransom, no body, no confession, no rumour. Yet Ted lived three miles away. The complete lack of answers is a Bundy hallmark.

      1. Judy T says:

        He very well could have killed her. In the book “Ted and Ann” by RebeccaMorris someone else confessed to her murder as well but nothing ever really came of it. Glad to read your opinion!

        1. Paul says:

          A woman showed up years later saying she WAS Anne, but wasn’t.

          1. Steve says:

            To the 1966 attack. One of the women said the attacker had thinning blonde hair. That wasn’t Ted.

          2. Paul says:

            Making an ID like that after having your head bashed in doesn’t carry much weight. One of those survivors also told Anne Rule that “she knew it was Ted that did that to us… But I can’t tell you how I know.” Can’t have been too many active Ted’s in the same area at the same time with the same MO.

  17. Judy T says:

    To anyone who ever wanted to read Liz Kendall’s book and didn’t want to spend over a hundred dollars on it here is a link I found where you can read it for free on FB. I would say that it would normally violate copyright laws but since the book has been out of print for so many years, and the publishing company long out of business, I don’t think it matters, especially since the link has been up for months without being taken down…so here it is
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231389210393817.1073741885.148896448643094&type=1
    Hope this helps anyone who wants to read it.
    Judy

  18. Brad says:

    Hey, Kevin:

    Finished your last book. Great job as always. Got a question about a Bundy tale from another book, Michaud and Aynesworth’s “The Only Living Witness”.

    In the last part, dealing with his impending execution, they tell that during the last days, Bundy had wanted – and was denied by the prison superintendent – a last contact visit with one of his attorneys, Diana Weiner. He even went so far as to harangue then-governor Martinez’s rep at the prison, Andrea Hillyer, insisting that she order the superintendent to grant the request. She said no. Weiner instead stuck around just to help him (from behind a glass partition) write his will.

    Why, do you think, Bundy was so insistent that he have this last private visit with Wiener? I’m curious only because over the years I’ve heard some crazy theories. What is your opinion?

    1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hey Brad,

      Well, I have heard some strange things about their relationship from some very close to the situation. I can’t say whether they’re true or not, but if you’ll send an email to the headsman at ET, asking him to pass your email along to me, I’ll get back with you about it.

      It is also interesting that when Russ Reneau conducted his interview of Ted, that he, Randy Everitt, Bill Hagmaier and weiner were all separated from Bundy by the glass partition

      1. Brad says:

        Wow. Will do. Thanks.

  19. Juan says:

    Dear Kevin,

    I would really like to read your second and third Bundy books but I do not have a device to read them on. Could I please buy them directly from you?

    Thank you,
    Juan

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Juan,

      Thanks so much for contacting me, and I appreciate your interest in my books!

      Unfortunately, I have no copies to sell you. You can, however, purchase them from Amazon, and this would be your best way to obtain them.

      Thanks again, Juan, for the contact.

      Kevin

      1. Juan says:

        Thank you, Kevin. Can I purchase paper copies of your second and third books off of Amazon? I already have a paper copy of your first book. I really hope to get your second and third books.

        Thank you,
        Juan

        1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

          Yes, Juan, Amazon does have the paper copies. :)

          And feel free to join the conversation here with any questions or comments you have after reading the books.

          Take care,

          Kevin

  20. Paul says:

    Hi Kevin

    Good book. Out of interest, did you decide against including the testimony from the Florida record when it came to the brother and sister’s account of encountering Bundy in Jacksonville? Or perhaps the petrol attendant who chased Bundy out of his store when the credit card came back stolen? Or are these people you didn’t try to track down?

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Paul,

      I covered the testimony of the brother and sister (they were the children of the chief detective in the city), in The Bundy Murders, and I didn’t think about adding portions of the trial transcript concerning them as I didn’t believe it would add anything new to the info already covered in my first book. I also mention in the preface of The Bundy Secrets that I was going to stay away from repeating info.

      I cover in The Bundy Murders about the gun totting manager and waitress who chased Bundy out of the restaurant after his stolen was rejected. Is that the one you’re referring to?

      1. Paul says:

        Oh ok. Yes, those are the ones I was referring to. Since I already knew a lot of the info from those transcripts in your latest book (although not word for word – but other books have covered them too), I thought those other testimonies might offer a little new information. If you saw it fit not to include them, obviously they yield nothing new.
        Although I’m really interested in the woman who saw Bundy’s van careen off the highway after he abducted Leach – there doesn’t seem to be enough out there on that, and I can ever pin down the direct source.
        Also. I find it really fitting how Bundy started screwing up in Florida. Everything he did was a roadblock – he encountered possible arrests multiple times, yet he could not make himself leave the State. And for the first time ever, he almost got brought down by a male in Jacksonville. It’s as if his status as a fugitive completely stripped him of his ‘mojo'; or whatever had worked so well for him in the past to make intelligent women leave with him completely vanished.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Hey paul,

          Yeah, the woman who saw Bundy swerve on the road (and also saw him looking down at something in the van as his jaw was slack, was a doctor’s wife in the area. I can’t remember her name but it’s in The Bundy Murders. I found that bit of info from a newspaper account, and later found it in the record. But that’s about all the info she had.

          Yes, Bundy was undergoing a severe meltdown in Florida, and he was not the same kind of killer as he was in WA, Utah, and even Colorado.

  21. Jason Nelson says:

    Hi All.

    I am a couple of pages into The Bundy Secrets and I noticed how it may have been possible how Bundy took an item from a victim and gave it to a family member. In Kathy McChesney’s report on her interviews with Liz Kendall in August and September, Liz mentions how during the previous month, Bundy helped his brother Glen load a bike onto an aeroplane to take back to Washington but once he was confronted about this by Liz, he stated ‘what bike’? The previous month could have been July which coincides with the abduction and murders of Janice Ott and Denise Naslund. Was Janice’s bike ever found? Could the bike had been Janice’s who Bundy said could load into the trunk of his car before she was abducted? Given that Bundy did not want Liz to know about the bike, it is highly likely it was stolen.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Jason,

      I seem to recall (maybe in Keppel’s book) that they searched the arboretum in Seattle, but of course, Ott’s bike was never located. I’m certain they searched other spots too, but fairly long after the fact and to no avail. perhaps some kid or adult picked it up and the rest is history.

      1. Jason Nelson says:

        Thanks for the reply.

        Just out of interest, how did you verify the account given by Louise Cannon? Her account of Bundy was very revealing (as was the opinion of her co-worker on Bundy as well).

        1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

          Hi Jason,

          Yes, her testimony is very revealing. I received her name through another valid Bundy contact. And she’s also had contact with Utah detectives from those years. I was just extremely fortunate to be the first writer to interview her. Folks who know her know the story. But now with the publiction of The Bundy Secrets, many will read about this most interesting encounter.

          1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

            That should read “…now with the publication…” not “public aid” lol! On my IPhone

          2. Kevin M Sullivan says:

            Disregard the “public aid” correction as it looks like my original correction to my main comment took the first time. :)

  22. Sandy says:

    That’s so cool to know! Thanks.

  23. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hi all!

    If you follow this blog on a regular basis, you no doubt are aware about Maz UK, and how he informed us about Black Christmas and the Chris Hagen (or Chris Hayden) connection, and then he provided a link to the movie and the time the scene would appear. Well, seeing (and hearing) this answered the question in my mind how Bundy came up with that name. In my view (and the views of many others) Bundy didn’t just pull that name out of thin air. And so, because that info came to me just before I completed The Bundy Secrets, I added the info to the book. And then today, I discovered something…

    My Facebook friend, Mike Thompson, reminded me about our conversation on Facebook’s Messenger about this very subject from a little while ago! Well, I drew a complete blank, but after going back and checking, there it was. Mike had it nailed as well when he had seen the movie, and he too believed that’s where Bundy got the name. Now, because it’s interesting, I’m going to show you a bit of that exchange now:

    “Just read your latest Bundy book (Mike means my second book, The Trail of Ted Bundy). It got my attention when you started about Black Christmas. I emailed Ann Rule in 1997 when I first got on the internet about the connection of Black Christmas with Ted Bundy. I told her the plot and asked her what she thought about Ted getting his alias from the movie. Chris Hayden is the guy’s name in the movie but I always felt Ted misheard it and used Chris Hagen. Ann told me she had never heard that before and was unaware of the movie plot of killing coeds in a sorority house but she said that, in her words, “would be so like Ted to do that” ”

    So there you have it. I would have loved to have added this to the book as well, as it illustrates how things come to folks, sometimes in a flash. And the addition of the Ann Rule comment (she felt like I do: that Ted would have purposely used that name because of the movie), adds to the overall story as well. But at least I can mention Mike’s contribution here at Executed Today! Thanks Mike!

    1. Mike Thompson says:

      Thanks Kevin…I really appreciate it

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        You’re welcome, Mike. :)

  24. Paul says:

    Looking forward to the new book

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Thanks, Paul! The Kindle edition was released last night at midnight, and the trade paper and audio book will soon follow.

      1. Brad says:

        Just started reading my kindle copy.

        1. Sandy says:

          I just started my Kindle copy, too!

  25. mlreamey says:

    There are new things in the archives check it

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      The archives contain a tremendous amount of information. It’s almost a bottomless pit of rich information on this most infamous case. And that’s why I finished off my trilogy of Ted Bundy reproducing many interesting parts of the record; with commentary from me, of course, lol!

  26. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    The story behind The Bundy Secrets…

    https://wildbluepress.com/bundy-secrets-kevin-sullivan-why/

    1. Brad says:

      Already preordered. Looking forward to it.

      Quick stupid question: any chance you might eventually put any of the files not in the book up online?

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        No, Brad, but for diehard folks there’s always a trip to the archives. After three books, I’m finished putting in any additional work having to do with Theodore, lol! I’m just too busy with other true crime projects. :)

    2. Bridget says:

      I just pre ordered it Kevin. Looking forward to reading it.

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        Thanks, Bridget. :)

  27. Bob says:

    Kevin,
    Will your new book also be published ” the old fashioned way” for us “aging” fans?

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      lol! You’re funny, Bob! :)

      Yes, it will be published in trade paper, eBook, and as an audio book.

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