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1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer

January 24th, 2009 Headsman

Qu’est-ce que c’est?

It was 20 years today that Ted Bundy, the signature sexual psychopath in a golden age of serial killers,* rode the lightning in Florida’s Starke Prison.

Executed Today is pleased to mark the occasion with a conversation with Louisville crime writer Kevin M. Sullivan, author of a forthcoming2009 book on Ted Bundy … and a man who knows how the world looks from inside Bundy’s ski mask.

Ted Bundy is obviously one of the most iconic, written-about serial killers in history. Why a book about Ted Bundy? What’s the untold story that you set out to uncover?

The desire, or drive, if you will, to write an article about Ted Bundy and then create a 120,000 plus word book about the murders, was born out of my crossing paths with his infamous murder kit. Had Jerry Thompson [a key detective on the Bundy case -ed.] left Bundy’s stuff in Utah that May of 2005, well, it would have been an enjoyable meeting with the former detective, but I’m certain it would have all ended quietly there. Indeed, I doubt if I’d even considered writing an article for Snitch [a now-defunct crime magazine -ed.], much less a book about the killings. But it was having all that stuff in my hands, and in my home, and then being given one of the Glad bags from Ted’s VW that made it very real (or surreal) to me, and from this, a hunger to find out more about the crimes led me forward.

Ted Bundy’s gear, right where you want it — image courtesy of Kevin M. Sullivan. (Check the 1975 police photo for confirmation.)

Believe me, in a thousand years, I never would have expected such a thing to ever come my way. I can’t think of anything more odd or surreal.

ET: You mentioned that you think you’ve been able to answer some longstanding questions about Bundy’s career. Can you give us some hints? What don’t people know about Ted Bundy that they ought to know?

I must admit, when I first decided to write a book about the crimes, I wasn’t sure what I’d find, so the first thing I had to do was read every book ever written about Bundy, which took the better portion of three or four months.

From this I took a trip to Utah to again meet with Thompson and check out the sites pertaining to Bundy and the murders in that state. Next came the acquisition of case files from the various states and the tracking down of those detectives who participated in the hunt for the elusive killer.

Now, no one could have been more surprised than me to begin discovering what I was discovering about some of these murders. But as I kept hunting down the right people and the right documents, I was able to confirm these “finds” at every turn. And while I cannot reveal everything here, It’s all in the book in great detail. Indeed, you could say that my book is not a biography in the truest sense, but rather an in-depth look at Bundy and the murders from a vantage point that is quite unique. I wish I could delve further into these things now , but I must wait until it’s published.

The Bundy story has a magnetic villain and a host of victims … was there a hero? Was there a lesson?

The real heroes in this story are the detectives who worked day and night for years to bring Ted Bundy to justice. And if there’s a lesson to be learned from all of this, it is this: It doesn’t matter how handsome or articulate a person might be, or how nicely they smile at you, for behind it all, there could reside the most diabolical person you’ll ever meet! We need to remember this.

But how can you act on that lesson without living in a continual state of terror? Bundy strikes me as so far outside our normal experience, even the normal experience of criminality, that I’m inclined to wonder how much can be generalized from him.

Actually, (and I might say, thank God here!) people as “successful” as Ted Bundy don’t come our way very often. I mean, the guy was a rising star in the Republican Party in Washington, had influential friends, a law student, and certainly appeared to be going places in life. Some were even quite envious of his ascension in life. However, it was all a well-placed mask that he wore to cover his true feelings and intentions. On the outside he was perfect, but on the inside a monster. He just didn’t fit the mold we’re used to when we think of a terrible killer, does he?

Now, there are those among us — sociopaths — who can kill or do all manner of terrible things in life and maintain the nicest smile upon their faces, but again, just beneath the surface ticks the heart of a monster, or predator, or what ever you might want to call them. Having said that, I’m not a suspicious person by nature, and so I personally judge people by their outward appearance until shown otherwise. Still, it’s difficult (if not impossible) to see the “real” individual behind the person they present to us on a daily basis.

You worked with case detectives in researching your book. How did the Ted Bundy case affect the way law enforcement has subsequently investigated serial killers? If they had it to do over again, what’s the thing you think they’d have done differently?

They all agree that today, DNA would play a part of the investigation that wasn’t available then. However, in the early portion of the murders, Bundy made few if any mistakes, as he had done his homework so as to avoid detection. As such, even this wouldn’t be a panacea when it came to a very mobile killer like Bundy who understood the very real limitations sometimes surrounding homicide investigations.

I can’t help but ask about these detectives as human beings, too. Clearly they’re in a position to deal with the heart of darkness in the human soul day in and day out and still lead normal lives … is a Ted Bundy the kind of killer that haunts or scars investigators years later, or is this something most can set aside as all in a day’s work?

They are, first of all, very nice people. And you can’t be around them (either in person, or through numerous phone calls or emails) for very long before you understand how dedicated they are (or were) in their careers as police officers. They are honorable people, with a clear sense of duty, and without such people, we, as a society, would be in dire circumstances indeed.

Even before Bundy came along, these men were veteran investigators who had seen many bad things in life, so they carried a toughness which allowed them to deal with the situations they came up against in a professional manner. That said, I remember Jerry Thompson telling me how he looked at Ted one day and thought how much he reminded him of a monster, or a vampire of sorts. And my book contains a number of exchanges between the two men (including a chilling telephone call) which demonstrate why he felt this way

How about for you, as a writer — was there a frightening, creepy, traumatic moment in your research that really shook you? Was there an emotional toll for you?

Absolutely. But the degree of “shock”, if you will, depends (at least for me) on what I know as I first delve into each murder. In the Bundy cases I had a general knowledge of how Bundy killed, so there wasn’t a great deal that caught me by surprise, as it were. Even so, as a writer, you tend to get to know the victims very well through the case files, their family members or friends, and so on. Hence, I’ll continue to carry with me many of the details of their lives and deaths for the remainder of my life. And so, lasting changes are a part of what we do.

However, I did a story a few years back about a 16 year old girl who was horribly murdered here in Kentucky, and this case did cause me to wake up in the night in a cold sweat. Perhaps it was because I have a daughter that was, at the time, only a few years younger than this girl, and that some of what transpired did catch me off guard, so to speak, as I began uncovering just what had happened to this very nice kid.

Watch for Kevin M. Sullivan’s forthcoming The Bundy Murders: A Comprehensive History from McFarland in summer or fall of 2009.

* In fact, the term “serial killer” was coined in the 1970′s by FBI profiler Robert Ressler, as an improvement on the sometimes inaccurate category of “stranger killer”.

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  1. 4451
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Hi Jason– One more thing: Since you enjoyed TBM, why not leave a short (sentence or two) review at Amazon, stating how much you liked it? That, and a 5 star review always helps, LOL!

    Anyway, thanks for anything you do!


  2. 4452
    Jason Says:

    Kevin, I will indeed leave a positive review. Absolutely, and you earned it sir. Look for it in the next couple of days. I first read TOLW and TSBM in the late 80′s/early 90′s, so I thought I knew as much of the Bundy story as existed. But you definitely unearthed several new fascinating details, and have added valuably to the Bundy book mix. I think you depict and detail Bundy’s deterioration better than any of the others. Another point that stuns me is how prior to his first escape, the woman in the courthouse predicted he’d jump out the window. And moreover, how fellow prisoners heard Bundy atop the ceiling during the night -after having already escaped once- and nobody did a thing, despite the fact that they reported him. It’s just astonishing. In today’s world, there would be quite a lawsuit filed by the victims families against Colorado for egregious, gross negligence. One last thing, and I think it just shows how much the world has shrunk due to technology, if Bundy, only a regional story at the time, had escaped today (for a SECOND time), he would be the topic of every cable news outlet in America, and would have found it impossible to nestle into a college town (or any town, for that matter).

    Anyway, I’ll for sure post a review and all the best.

  3. 4453
    jason nelson Says:


    Just based on curiosity, how much has your book sold in the US and worldwide? Must be in the 10,000-100,000 range?

  4. 4454
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Hi Jason–

    Thanks again for the good words about my book, and I really do appreciate hearing them. I worked very hard to include everything I believed the reader would find interesting (as I find it all interesting too!).

    And thanks for the upcoming review, as well!


  5. 4455
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Hi Jason (Nelson)–

    Well, It’s just not me to talk of numbers when it comes to sales. If any of my books sell one million copies, you’ll never hear me speak of it. Some folks would just boast at the chance, but not me.

    I will say this: The trade paper edition is rather expensive, but copies are being sold every day. This is the kind of book that I believe will be selling 40 or 50 years from now., not only because of all the new stuff in it, but because of how closely I follow his trail of murder. Anyway, just my opinion. Now, the E Book version outsells the trade paper hands down, as it’s only $16 as opposed to 42 or 45 dollars.. But both versions are going to be selling and making money long after I’m gone, LOL!

    I hope things are well with you!


  6. 4456
    Jason Nelson Says:

    That is modest of you lol. I understand, the number you sell and success will speak for itself. But keep us updated about when you will be moving into your mansion LOL.

    Thanks for the response.

  7. 4457
    Shelley Says:


    1. Do you know if Bill Hagmaier will be a part of the “Chasing The Darkness” documentary or not?

    2. Have you or someone close to you ever been a victim of a violent crime?


  8. 4458
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Hi Shelley–

    Yes, Bill H will be a part of the documentary.

    A co-worker of mine was murdered; a high school person I knew was murdered while we were still in school; and one of my children was the recipient of a violent crime, but not murdered.

    See ya!

  9. 4459
    Shelley Says:

    Kevin — Yikes! Sorry to hear that! :-(

  10. 4460
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:


    I will relate here a strange but true story.

    I was in the ministry for years. Many times during those years (and even now, things like this will happen), I will “know” certain things about people and situations, and it’s uncanny how accurate this stuff can be. For example, I “knew” something was amiss with my co-worker friend just before he was murdered, I just couldn’t put my finger on it. Anyway, here’s the story:

    It was a Friday night, he and I were working together, and he mentioned that his last day at work would be Saturday, as he was going back to his college on Sunday. Well, the more I thought about it that Friday, I kept feeling this sense of doom and dread, and I just felt like he shouldn’t return to school; or at least not this weekend.

    Feeling this way, I shared my concerns with him, and he assured me he’d be fine, telling me he would see me next Spring. Well, I did not want to let it go, so I brought this up to him two more times that day. Each time he brushed off my concerns, and so I let it go. (one humorous aspect of this, was my feeling that if I kept asking him not to leave, he would think I’m gay, even though I had a wife and child, LOL!).

    Anyway, off he went, and arrived back at his fraternity house that Sunday afternoon, and later that night, he was stabbed to death by a stranger who came into the house and started trouble.

    You can imagine how horrible I felt when I heard about it on Monday morning.

  11. 4461
    bart Says:

    Hi, Kevin

    Can I ask how is your “Custer Reinforced” book going? I am very impatient to find out your account on non-criminal individual. I know the hard copy exists for years, but I want the updated version.

  12. 4462
    Shelley Says:

    Kevin — I had a very similar and very strong experience the day of my daughter’s car accident (which hurts too much to relate here) and at other times as well. I will just *know*. Also, along the same lines, often group settings will be very tiring for me because I will sense ‘too’ much about people and feel responsible for others ‘too’ much.

  13. 4463
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Bart– The book is finished and in the hands of my agent, who is dealing with a publisher that is interested in it. When I know more, I’ll let everyone know who will be publishing the book and when.

    Thanks for the interest.


  14. 4464
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Shelley– Yes, there are strong connections between a mother and child, and I believe such things like this are more common than people realize. it is all so very interesting! :)

  15. 4465
    Shelley Says:

    Yes, I agree. I may have occasional bouts of sharp intuition … probably just extra good at reading body language some days. LOL But *that day* it was a totally unique experience (never before or since) and if it’s all the same to the powers that be, they can keep that particular gift. I don’t want it. LOL

  16. 4466
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:


    Personally (and in my case) I believe this intuitiveness comes from God. I have had so many experiences with this that I could go on and on, but I won’t. But these situations have meaning, and I have promised myself that I will always pass of the info when I receive it, no matter what reaction the person may give back to me. One recent example that I “failed” to respond properly was the incident with my sister in law. (I never said anything to her)

    For at least two full years, I had a bad feeling about my sister in law riding with her husband on their motorcycle. And I mean every time I thought about it. Well, I rationalized this feeling away because I never had a bad feeling about her husband; after all, they always rode together on the same bike. So you can imagine how I felt, when in late march of 2010, she was instantly killed in an accident when they swerved their motorcycle to keep from hitting an animal crossing the road. Her husband jumped right up and was perfectly fine.

  17. 4467
    Shelley Says:

    I can only imagine what that’s like for you. Mixed blessing?

  18. 4468
    Emma Says:

    A former coworker of mine who is much older than me had a scary serial killer story he told me. Apparently he grew up in New England during the 70s and a rash of children went missing in the mid 1970s. One girl was riding her bicycle – she lived across the street from him. Her name was Janice Pockett (I am pretty sure). Anyway, My coworker’s mom noticed an odd truck in the neighborhood just before the girl went missing. Minutes later the girl was abducted while riding her bike. I guess her sister saw it happen and described the man. Well the same truck was hanging around the neighborhood and my coworker’s mom flat out asked the man what he was doing…he drove off in a hurry. Soon he started actually “stalking” her family. My coworker’s Dad was off in Vietnam (or somewhere on active duty) and she was home alone with her 3 kids. The creepy man kept wandering around their neighborhood and his mom called the police. They could not charge him with anything so they let him go. His mom was so scared that this guy would break into their house (by this time he was peering in their windows at night and they were getting hang up phone calls at 2am etc.) that she slept with a gun and her brother in law moved in and slept on the couch. Well a few weeks later a little girl went missing…a little black girl. About 2 days after this girl went missing there was a town parade. My coworker and his mom and siblings were at the parade and his mom, as she was leaving, saw the man in the truck with a little black girl sitting next to him in the cab. He saw my coworker’s mom and smiled and sort of nodded and pointed towards the girl…..she was found dead months later. I know I found the story on the internet somewhere before and I think that the man’s name was Charles Pierce:


    I don’t remember the particulars of the story (like why his mom never got the license plate # or why the police never suspected the guy) but the whole thing was just SO creepy.

  19. 4469
    Emma Says:

    Ack I got it wrong!!! I was remembering what he told me and I figured it was the guy I mentioned above. But the girl Janice Pockett WAS one of the kids who went missing and they thought this guy was involved. I just found his old email to me:

    Actually she (HIS MOM) slept with a knife but she did keep a loaded rifle in our house. His name was Hal Meade (Harold Meade). He came by our house to tow our car one day and realized my dad was leaving for Vietnam. He saw my sister (she was 4 at the time) and I think got fixated on her. He started stalking our house. He was driving by Memorial Day but my grandfather was there so he kept going. Unfortunately, a neighbor named Dawn Cave was walking on our road, she had just had a fight with her sister. Where we lived was in rural CT with lots of cornfields, woods, etc. They found her body in the woods a few days later, her head was bashed in. I remember waking up and seeing all the police car lights in the middle of the night. There were several other girls killed before and after the same way. My mom told the police she would give evidence as long as it didn’t get out there was a witness (she was afraid for us since my dad was gone and didn’t trust the police not to let him out on bail). Of course, some A-hole leaked the info to the press and my mom said F U I am not testifying. It became a summer of dread for us. We were not allowed to ever be in the front lawn and could only play in the back if my mom was in the yard. We weren’t allowed in the woods, or even the chicken coops we had in the back yard. Later, a little black girl disappeared at the Freddy Fixer parade, the same day he tried to run us off the road (we were at the parade with cousins too) and he drove by with the little black girl in the car and smiled at my mother. He was arrested a few days later for another attack on 3 mentally disabled kids. He was supposed to get life, but the wisdom of the CT penal system started letting him out on the weekends after about 15 years. Coincidentally — or not — a woman was murdered in Hammonasset Park the same way — head bashed in with a rock — the same weekend he was staying there with his girlfriend. His girlfriend said he left her for a while, he claimed he left to buy cigarettes. They didn’t charge him with that, but stopped giving him weekends off. He died about a year ago in prison of cancer. I wish I knew where his gravesite was.

  20. 4470
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Shelley– well, I believe I was supposed to say something to her. I do not know whether she would have listened to me, and if she wouldn’t have, the end result would have been the same. But I have a measure of regret for not saying what I felt every time I thought about her and that bike .

    At least in the case of my co-worker, I did everything I could to convince him to delay his return to school.

  21. 4471
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Hi Emma–

    well, that’s quite a story. How terrible to have someone like that running around in the area. It’s a good thing he’s dead. Did your dad make it home from Vietnam in one piece?

  22. 4472
    Shelley Says:

    Kevin — I did say something to my daughter that day. I got the typical ‘Oh Mom!’ with the accompanying eye roll. :-) And to be frank, I thought perhaps I was just feeling gloomy because of the weather and such but I couldn’t shake it. There’s more to the story but I can’t go into it here.

    So, I am thinking you may have felt the same way with your sister in-law….second guessing your intuition and why wouldn’t we? It’s not ‘normal’ :-) to have premonitions or so we think anyway. I am particularly skeptical about things like that but *that day* really makes me wonder!

  23. 4473
    Shelley Says:

    Kevin — Besides my gut feelings *that day*, there were also things that happened external to me that just defy the law of probability (there’s my math brain kicking in!) and are way beyond what I would see as normal coincidence. And things happened afterwards for a time as well.

    Have you had similar experiences? Thanks!

  24. 4474
    Shelley Says:

    Oh No! I am getting ‘metaphysical’ again! LOL

  25. 4475
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Shelley– (Boy, we’ve gotten away from Theodore Bundy, LOL!) But here goes:

    Well, I made the “mistake:” one day, early in my ministry, of asking God to PLEASE send me across the paths of those who were not going to live very much longer, and he began to do so. I know for many folks out there, the thought that God himself would bother to do something like that is foolish, but I say the proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the old saying goes. But even apart from God speaking to someone, people, whether they know it or not, are triune beings. That is, they are spirit, soul (which is our mind, emotions, and will) and we live in a body. And sometimes, a person will get a sense of something, and their mind can’t quite figure it all out. People in combat may feel they are about to be killed and it soon happens. Or they “feel” they’ll be wounded and they are soon after. Or they see terrible amounts of combat, but believe inwardly they will come through it unscathed, and they do. Sometime these things are “known” in our spirits, and our head (the mind) just doesn’t quite get it.

    One last story: Years ago, I was working at a sales job, and I was a part of a two-man team at a customers house, and we were showing hi a really nice cleaning machine. Now, I wasn’t going to make any money on the sale, as I was there to learn, so I kept quiet so my partner could do the talking. Well, all of a sudden, I was “drawn to this man’s chest. He looked fine, but I started sensing something was wrong inside. And I remember having two distinct thoughts: First, that I should ask him if he’d been having any problems with his heart, and if he said anything like he wasn’t feeling well, or something didn’t seem right, I was to tell him to get immediate medical attention; and second, I was supposed to ask him about his relationship with God.

    Okay. So I have these very distinct feelings, and I know what I should do about them. But do I do what I’m supposed to do? No. And here’s what happened:

    The guy ends up buying the machine, my partner is happy, I’m happy ’cause we made a sale, and then I get busy cleaning up the machine, etc. I remember hearing the man say that the next day he and his wife and one of his children were driving to Indianapolis, IN, and I thought that was nice and that they would have a lot of fun. However, on the way up there, he has to pull to the side of the road because he started to feel badly. And within minutes, the guy dies of a massive heart attack. That was the reason I was being drawn to the guy’s chest.

    On a lighter note, I was sitting across from someone at lunch one day, telling this story, as as soon as I finished, he said to me “do you see anything wrong with my chest”! LOL!

  26. 4476
    Shelley Says:

    Also on a light note….Is there anything you want to tell me? LOL

  27. 4477
    Shelley Says:

    Speaking of Bundy, I haven’t heard anything about the Anne Marie case or anything about Bundy’s DNA. Has anyone else?

  28. 4478
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Shelley — I don’t know a thing about you, LOL!

    Haven’t heard a thing yet about the Burr/Bundy possible evidence. If I do, I’ll post something here.

  29. 4479
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Shelley — I don’t know a thing about you, LOL!

  30. 4480
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Sorry about the double post. Don’t know how that happened.

  31. 4481
    Fiz Says:

    Kevin, you have my sympathy. I’ve had dreams of disaster which have actually happened and what can you do about it ? I can hardly ring the police and tell them I’ve seen a newspaper stand with a poster on it about about a plane crash in France, and it happening that afternoon. It’s a horrible feeling.

  32. 4482
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Fiz– Yes, something as far removed as the situation you describe is terrible, for what can you do? You’re right, you can’t call the police. And even if you did, it wouldn’t stop it. I think in a case like that all one can do is pray.

    Now, back to Theodore, LOL!

  33. 4483
    Fiz. Says:

    Definitely more Theodore! When’s Richard’s book out?!

  34. 4484
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Fiz– Richard’s book should be out soon. Perhaps he’ll read this and can give you a more accurate date for publication.

    See ya!

  35. 4485
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    For some reason I can’t post the link. So, I will tell you that according to the Oct. 4 Tacoma News Tribune article, the evidence tested from the Ann Marie Burr home did not have any testable DNA to put against the recently discovered Bundy blood vile.

    This doesn’t surprise me, but I still believe it’s more likely than not, that Theodore is involved.

  36. 4486
    Richard A. Duffus Says:

    Right now the book is targeted for 11/15. I have a blog where I post progress reports. That’s at:


  37. 4487
    Richard A. Duffus Says:

    Here’s the Tacoma News link:


  38. 4488
    Fiz Says:

    How could they have a DNA link when poor little Ann Marie was never found. How awful for her family.

  39. 4489
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:


    Apparently they have something they believed might contain some DNA. They’re probably never going to say what those items are, because the case is still officially open. It’s silly to not close it after all these years (50!), but that is the way it is.

    Just as I say in my book, whoever snatched little Ann Marie Burr, did so without leaving any trace of himself behind.

  40. 4490
    Fiz Says:

    I think he’s good for it, Kevin and I thought that before I ever read your book.

  41. 4491
    Shelley Says:

    Sad. I was really hoping the family (siblings) would have gotten some answers at long last.

    I saw an article where one of the sisters was interviewed and she had only good things to say about how her parents went on and gave her and her 2 or 3 siblings a wonderful childhood. They must have been very strong people and I really admired them.

  42. 4492
    Maria Says:

    Ted and Ann book is already on Amazon. Has anybody read it yet?

  43. 4493
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:


    Just purchased the Kindle version yesterday. So far so good. She worked closely with the Burr family, and I like that. I had two phone conversations with Mrs. Burr myself, when doing the research for my book, and I liked the fact that she was willing to talk to someone she didn’t know. Mrs Burr was a very nice lady.

  44. 4494
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Maria– I’m skeptical of the story about Ted as a child, killing and mutilating animals, and dragging girls into the woods to urinate on them. But no matter, I’m still enjoying the book.

  45. 4495
    Maria Says:

    Kevin, that sounds doubrful to me too. I’m interested in her sourses. Does she mention them? Are they reliable?
    Hope you tell us more about the book when you read it! =) And thanks for your answers.

  46. 4496
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:


    She does have credible sources, but I just did a quick scan of the list and I’m sure there are a couple I don’t know. Perhaps the weird Bundy info from his childhood came from someone who knew him rather than an academic or professional source. In other words, it may be only hearsay.

    And yes, I’ll pass off my opinion of the book once I finish it. So far, I really like it.

  47. 4497
    Fiz Says:

    I have been bad and bought this from Amazon.com (not otherwise available in the UK), so goodness knows when it will arrive!

  48. 4498
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Good for you, Fiz, LOL!

  49. 4499
    Emma Says:

    It was my coworker”s dad, not me. The story is his story…did not happen to me. but creeped me out none the less!

  50. 4500
    Kevin M. Sullivan Says:

    Thanks for straightening me out on that one, Emma, LOL!

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