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1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer

January 24th, 2009 Headsman

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It was 20 years today that Ted Bundy, the signature sexual psychopath in a golden age of serial killers,* rode the lightning in Florida’s Starke Prison.

Executed Today is pleased to mark the occasion with a conversation with Louisville crime writer Kevin M. Sullivan, author of a forthcoming2009 book on Ted Bundy … and a man who knows how the world looks from inside Bundy’s ski mask.

Ted Bundy is obviously one of the most iconic, written-about serial killers in history. Why a book about Ted Bundy? What’s the untold story that you set out to uncover?

The desire, or drive, if you will, to write an article about Ted Bundy and then create a 120,000 plus word book about the murders, was born out of my crossing paths with his infamous murder kit. Had Jerry Thompson [a key detective on the Bundy case -ed.] left Bundy’s stuff in Utah that May of 2005, well, it would have been an enjoyable meeting with the former detective, but I’m certain it would have all ended quietly there. Indeed, I doubt if I’d even considered writing an article for Snitch [a now-defunct crime magazine -ed.], much less a book about the killings. But it was having all that stuff in my hands, and in my home, and then being given one of the Glad bags from Ted’s VW that made it very real (or surreal) to me, and from this, a hunger to find out more about the crimes led me forward.

Ted Bundy’s gear, right where you want it — image courtesy of Kevin M. Sullivan. (Check the 1975 police photo for confirmation.)

Believe me, in a thousand years, I never would have expected such a thing to ever come my way. I can’t think of anything more odd or surreal.

ET: You mentioned that you think you’ve been able to answer some longstanding questions about Bundy’s career. Can you give us some hints? What don’t people know about Ted Bundy that they ought to know?

I must admit, when I first decided to write a book about the crimes, I wasn’t sure what I’d find, so the first thing I had to do was read every book ever written about Bundy, which took the better portion of three or four months.

From this I took a trip to Utah to again meet with Thompson and check out the sites pertaining to Bundy and the murders in that state. Next came the acquisition of case files from the various states and the tracking down of those detectives who participated in the hunt for the elusive killer.

Now, no one could have been more surprised than me to begin discovering what I was discovering about some of these murders. But as I kept hunting down the right people and the right documents, I was able to confirm these “finds” at every turn. And while I cannot reveal everything here, It’s all in the book in great detail. Indeed, you could say that my book is not a biography in the truest sense, but rather an in-depth look at Bundy and the murders from a vantage point that is quite unique. I wish I could delve further into these things now , but I must wait until it’s published.

The Bundy story has a magnetic villain and a host of victims … was there a hero? Was there a lesson?

The real heroes in this story are the detectives who worked day and night for years to bring Ted Bundy to justice. And if there’s a lesson to be learned from all of this, it is this: It doesn’t matter how handsome or articulate a person might be, or how nicely they smile at you, for behind it all, there could reside the most diabolical person you’ll ever meet! We need to remember this.

But how can you act on that lesson without living in a continual state of terror? Bundy strikes me as so far outside our normal experience, even the normal experience of criminality, that I’m inclined to wonder how much can be generalized from him.

Actually, (and I might say, thank God here!) people as “successful” as Ted Bundy don’t come our way very often. I mean, the guy was a rising star in the Republican Party in Washington, had influential friends, a law student, and certainly appeared to be going places in life. Some were even quite envious of his ascension in life. However, it was all a well-placed mask that he wore to cover his true feelings and intentions. On the outside he was perfect, but on the inside a monster. He just didn’t fit the mold we’re used to when we think of a terrible killer, does he?

Now, there are those among us — sociopaths — who can kill or do all manner of terrible things in life and maintain the nicest smile upon their faces, but again, just beneath the surface ticks the heart of a monster, or predator, or what ever you might want to call them. Having said that, I’m not a suspicious person by nature, and so I personally judge people by their outward appearance until shown otherwise. Still, it’s difficult (if not impossible) to see the “real” individual behind the person they present to us on a daily basis.

You worked with case detectives in researching your book. How did the Ted Bundy case affect the way law enforcement has subsequently investigated serial killers? If they had it to do over again, what’s the thing you think they’d have done differently?

They all agree that today, DNA would play a part of the investigation that wasn’t available then. However, in the early portion of the murders, Bundy made few if any mistakes, as he had done his homework so as to avoid detection. As such, even this wouldn’t be a panacea when it came to a very mobile killer like Bundy who understood the very real limitations sometimes surrounding homicide investigations.

I can’t help but ask about these detectives as human beings, too. Clearly they’re in a position to deal with the heart of darkness in the human soul day in and day out and still lead normal lives … is a Ted Bundy the kind of killer that haunts or scars investigators years later, or is this something most can set aside as all in a day’s work?

They are, first of all, very nice people. And you can’t be around them (either in person, or through numerous phone calls or emails) for very long before you understand how dedicated they are (or were) in their careers as police officers. They are honorable people, with a clear sense of duty, and without such people, we, as a society, would be in dire circumstances indeed.

Even before Bundy came along, these men were veteran investigators who had seen many bad things in life, so they carried a toughness which allowed them to deal with the situations they came up against in a professional manner. That said, I remember Jerry Thompson telling me how he looked at Ted one day and thought how much he reminded him of a monster, or a vampire of sorts. And my book contains a number of exchanges between the two men (including a chilling telephone call) which demonstrate why he felt this way

How about for you, as a writer — was there a frightening, creepy, traumatic moment in your research that really shook you? Was there an emotional toll for you?

Absolutely. But the degree of “shock”, if you will, depends (at least for me) on what I know as I first delve into each murder. In the Bundy cases I had a general knowledge of how Bundy killed, so there wasn’t a great deal that caught me by surprise, as it were. Even so, as a writer, you tend to get to know the victims very well through the case files, their family members or friends, and so on. Hence, I’ll continue to carry with me many of the details of their lives and deaths for the remainder of my life. And so, lasting changes are a part of what we do.

However, I did a story a few years back about a 16 year old girl who was horribly murdered here in Kentucky, and this case did cause me to wake up in the night in a cold sweat. Perhaps it was because I have a daughter that was, at the time, only a few years younger than this girl, and that some of what transpired did catch me off guard, so to speak, as I began uncovering just what had happened to this very nice kid.

Watch for Kevin M. Sullivan’s forthcoming The Bundy Murders: A Comprehensive History from McFarland in summer or fall of 2009.

* In fact, the term “serial killer” was coined in the 1970’s by FBI profiler Robert Ressler, as an improvement on the sometimes inaccurate category of “stranger killer”.

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8,544 thoughts on “1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer”

  1. Anna says:

    Hi Kevin!

    Can you confirm if it’s Ted or not? It seems to be from a documentary and the clothes correspond to other pictures. https://imgur.com/a/XyRLz

    1. Brad says:

      I remember seeing that myself – I believe it is, in fact, Bundy.

      1. Anna says:

        Thanks Brad! It sure does look like him. I wonder why this pictures circulate less than the other ones?

        1. Brad says:

          I honestly can’t say. Most of the post-execution photos of Bundy that are available are closeups of his head, and some of his right leg where the grounding electrode was attached.

          I assume you’ve seen most or all of those.

    2. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hi Anna,

      I’ve seen the actual photos of Bundy that were taken after his death that shows his face clearly, but I can’t tell from this particular photo as you can’t see his face. That tells me it’s probably not him. The body shape and the lower portion of the face are problematic for me as well.

      1. Anna says:

        Thank you! I thought it might have been taken at the same time that this one https://imgur.com/a/X03Sj but I agree that chin area looks weird?

  2. KYGB says:

    Yeah Bart, I still lurk. This comments section isn’t as feisty as it once was, but it’s still alive. Fiz (one “z”) still comments and is around.

    Good luck with your book. Keep it real, now.

  3. Kevin Sullivan says:

    My book, The Bundy Murders (the eBook edition) is on sale now for only $3.99, but for a very limited time only. Unheard of prices lol!


  4. Bart says:

    Hi, Kevin, it’s been ages!
    Hi, all the crew – the old ones and new ones! For example – Fizz. Is Fizz still here? 🙂 Or KYGB?
    How are you all doing?
    I am so glad I am back with us – but like Bundy – I am with hidden agenda lol.
    I am working on a hm.. I know how awkwardly sounds – a surreal black humor – hm. play, book, movie script (I am not still certain about it final form) – consisted of conversations or events inspired by true serial crime. Some people read samples of this, found it quite original and strongly support me to be strong enough to keep up with my work. Of course when writing I also refer to Bundy (his deeds, his approach, his way of thinking) but one Bundy is not enough. I am trying to extend the plot on other serial killers. Bundy is the easiest part to me as I read a lot on him (thanks to Kevin and others) and his literary lookalike plays leading role in my story.
    OK that’s all what I wanted to say now. I am back to follow this thread thoroughly again.

    1. markb says:

      Hello, Bart. i am also into a writing project. i would recommend you take a good look at dennis rader, the “BTK” killer. he was a real weirdo. he had a fetish for writing and drawing and photographing his murders and fantasies about murder. So there’s lots of stuff available to “see into his mind”. Also, when he was busted, he gladly talked and talked about his deeds, unlike bundy. so there’s tons of material on him for you to use.

      1. Bart says:

        Thanks, markb. I will check it out.

    2. CoreyR says:

      Aaaaaand… the first messages on here in weeks turn out to be the weirdest in ages LOL

      1. Bart says:

        Why is that? Did you watch “American Horror Story: Season 5 – Hotel”? There you have a serial killers’ reunion – for example.

        1. CoreyR says:

          For one, Bart’s back 🙂

    3. Kevin Sullivan says:

      Hi Bart,

      Yes, it has been ages. Good luck on your project, whatever direction it takes. 🙂

      1. Bart says:

        Hi Kevin,
        Thanks for good words. I am trying to work on this regularly. The main plot is not very original. The hero is kind of “white thrash”, drifter weirdo person, in his thirties – with no higher education, no regular job, no girlfriend, living with his grand Ma and as she because of age and illness is transferred to a social nursing house he kind of accompanies her and stays with her – living and working in the facility, part-voluntarily, being kind and helpful to people in there 🙂 that’s why he is so very much liked there. Then one event happens that triggers bizarre situation when ghosts of serial killers (Bundy is the easiest part as I sad) start to haunt and “inspire” him. Don’t worry – nursing social facility people are 100 % safe. The outside world, glamour world should be cautious :). In that way – I touch the aspect I always mistakenly attributed to Bundy – social class factor. Anyway this work in mainly consisted of conversations. Conversations with the killers lol.

  5. Bob says:

    markb, Yes, that is the book. I thought it was a good read, with a lot of details. Unlike some other folks who found it boring in certain areas, I enjoyed most of the book. I particularly found the photos of the school, with the diagram showing the routes of Bundy and Leach from the school grounds to where Ted parked the white van, very informative. The photo of the murder scene (the pig stall) was not as revealing; more images were needed to fully understand the layout of the crime scene (these photos would not need to include Leach’s ravaged body). A more accurate diagram of the crime scene should have been included also.

    Kevin, the book I’m referring to is titled, “Visions of Ted Bundy” by Susan Waller Lehmann; it was published in 2017 by White Rhino Press out of Utah. Apparently, it is a true story of a psychic, living in Tallahassee, who met several times with Captain Brand of the county sheriff’s office. He wrote the “Foreword” for the book. I’d recommend the book but with reservations. Perhaps the most revealing portion is that chapter where I learned that some of the CHI-OMEGA girls were found to have small pot-stashes, as well as sex toys hidden in their rooms. This was the first time I had learned of this stuff. Naturally, the police, bent over backwards to keep the information out of the papers.

    It is another aspect of the Bundy story that most of us have not heard about. I believe it is true, but the “mystics” role was more helpful than definitive.

    Anyway, when I get the help I need to master the computer skills from Diane, my wife, I’ll post, what I think, are some interesting maps, etc.

    1. markb says:

      a college girl, in the 70’s, with some pot? i’d probably be more surprised if they didn’t have some. i was there, i know what i’m saying. the 70’s, that is, not chi-omega.

      the physic book does sound interesting.

    2. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hey Bob— I’m not surprised that sex toys and pot stashes were a part of Cho O, as they are in most college settings ????. Thanks for getting back with us. ????

  6. Bob says:

    Dear Kevin and the rest of you.

    It has been a long time since I have had a chance to share my information with you.

    I have been busy reading two books concerning “Mr. Bundy.” The first dealt with the heart-breaking murder of Kimberly Leach; and the other was a story about a psychic that “may have helped” the Tallahassee P.D. and other Florida police jurisdictions to capture Bundy.

    I have more stuff to share, but my computer skills are not up to the task.. But my wife is very computer savy.

    1. Kevin Sullivan says:

      Hi Bob,

      Well, I have found nothing in the record to substantiate the work of any paranormal investigator that contributed to the capture of Ted Bundy. To the contrary, Bundy was almost free and clear of the state of Florida, when he just happened to be spotted in Pensacola by a patrol officer who checked the plate of the VW Bundy was driving and discovered it was stolen. In other words, his capture was just by pure chance. Again, there’s nothing in the record that would substantiate such a claim. 🙂

    2. markb says:

      Hello, Bob: is the book you’re reading about Kimberly Leach “the Last Murder” by George Dekle?

  7. markb says:

    OK: if anyone wants to see it, here is a bit from my book “Ted Bundy: A Survey of Shadows” It’s a highly speculative work, i need to say that right up front. Basically, it’s the kind of true crime book that i like to read myself.

    Because of the malignant sweep of his tale, he became an archetype of American criminality, like John Wilkes Booth, Jesse James, or Al Capone. Perhaps a new genre, 70’s Gothic. Consider the arch of the Ted Bundy story: the normal, placid and pleasant exterior, but as you come closer and look deeper, one finds a core of incredible evil intent.
    See a normal 12 year old on a bike, hunting frogs on a summer afternoon with his dog. In his roaming around, he finds pornographic magazines and true crime magazines in his neighbor’s trash. Many other children have done the same, but this boy finds a peculiar fascination which stays with him. The boy seems ordinary and very much just like his companions and schoolmates, but the boy doesn’t know who his father is and he despises his stepfather and their financial place in the world. His mother never speaks of his biological father, isn’t it strange that it never comes up? The boy listens to talk radio deep into the night, listening to other’s conversations, all alone and unknown.
    He looks ordinary enough in his high school years. But during this time (or was it earlier?) he begins a practice of mobile nighttime voyeurism and running around the woods near his home at night, alone, naked. At some point in his teen years he is arrested for burglary and auto theft, but no details of this have ever come to light. He finds social acceptance through the petty larceny of forging tickets for the ski lift.
    He graduates from high school and moves on to higher education. Like many college age people, he tries various approaches and different subjects, but it takes him awhile to find a way to excel, though he was apparently quite accomplished as a shoplifter by this time. There is no record of him ever getting caught at it.

    Then the college student fails at love. He becomes despondent. He then launches into a journey of self-discovery back east, where he was born. There’s not much indication that whatever he found there made him happy, except that he does enjoy the pornography market in Times Square in NYC.

    Then politics saves him, for awhile. After that, his political connections give him a job with the Seattle Crime Commission (he is said to have written a Rape Prevention pamphlet for them) which gives him access to files, records, and deep information about all types of crimes. From this he learns, if he didn’t already know it, just how isolated individual police agencies are and how difficult it is for them to share information. He will put this information to work, soon.

    For years, all hidden, he has been building a murder machine within himself. The “entity” is not yet completed but there isn’t far to go.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Very interesting, Mark. 🙂

      1. Corey R says:

        I await the rest with great interest!

  8. markb says:

    Howdy everybody: i received Al Carlisle’s new book a few days ago: Violent Mind – the1976 psychological assessment of ted bundy. it’s very interesting, mostly. some of it is things you’ve read before, but there’s definitely some new stuff here and there. There’s a letter bundy wrote that’s never seen the light of day before, and a real interesting chapter on “compartmentalization”.

    everybody should run out and buy 2 or 3 copies.

    1. RD says:

      I just devoured the kindle edition til the wee hours. This work is about as close an explanation of Bundy and those like him…that I have read.

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        I wanted a paper copy for my library, so I didn’t get mine immediately lol! And yes, it’s a good book that I’m enjoying. I’m just in the early stages of the book, but I’m already finding those wonderful tidbits I knew Al would have in there.

        1. RD says:


          Yes, I read the entire book after work. Carlisle caught Bundy in several contradictions. He gets us a little closer clinically with Bundy. Good read. Almost eerie when describing the tests.

          1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Yes, it’s quite an interesting read.

  9. Krisha says:

    Hi Kevin,

    May I ask, do you know whether Ted’s maternal grandfather, Samuel Cowell had died before or after his execution? Thanks.

    1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hi Krisha…

      You know, I don’t know when Sam Crowell passed away. I didn’t need that info when I was writing The Bundy Murders, but I do remember from the record that after he was exposed to the world and investigators were interviewing family members, he said he wished they’d leave him alone as he “was an old man”. Thst’s all I can tell you about Cowell and the post Bundy arrest years.

    2. Bridget says:

      From the quick Google search that I just did, I found that his grandfather died in December 1983. Which obviously was 5 years before Ted was executed.

  10. Brad says:

    Hi, Everyone:

    I was watching a recent special about Bundy, which naturally included interviews with Bob Keppel. I was wondering if Det. Keppel is doing ok? Is he ill?

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hey Brad,

      Yes, they ALWAYS head to Washington State for the documentaries, and yet WA never caught Ted! lol! Despite their valiant efforts (Bob Keppel and his crew were doing everything possible to catch the killer) they came up empty handed. I would like to see them film NOT JUST Keppel, but interview Jerry Thompson out of Utah, and Mike Fisher, the Colorado investigator, and the FIRST one to bring a murder warrant against Bundy. But the folks doing the docs don’t really know much about the case, so they get the same thing all over again. That said, the murders in WA occurred first, and there is a lot there to cover. I would just like to see equal coverage, because there has been a misleading belief among the uninformed (including some members of media) that the WA detectives cracked the case, and this just wasn’t so. Indeed, even after everyone knew Bundy was the killer, they had absolutely NO evidence in WA to charge Ted. These are the facts of the case.

      Well, Bob is older now, and he has had a few medical issues. I think he takes it easy on most days, but I hear he’s also still involved in stuff, which is good. I hope the guy remains around for a very long time. I like him, as I do all of the investigators I had the pleasure of working with when I was writing The Bundy Murders.

      1. RD says:

        I have followed this case since I read the March 1981 Readers Digest article on Bundy. What a mess Bundy presented to any 1970’s detective. There was really no game plan to investigate these type of murders. Keppel was left with skulls.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Hey RD…

          Yes, it was a tough and exceedingly long investigation, and it meant lots of hard work by many people. Sometimes that work paid off and sometimes it didn’t. But fortunately, at the end of it, Bundy was captured and brought to justice.

          1. markb says:

            Robert Keppel’s “The Riverman” is probably the best book on serial killers ever written, IMO.

          2. RD says:

            It is still chilling how Jerry Thompson was on to Bundy from the start. The comments about his clean and orderly apartment, and Detective Ondrak referring to him as “The strangest man that I have ever met.

          3. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Yes, you’re correct, RD. Bundy’s life really started to unravel in Utah. But even Utah couldn’t get Ted on a murder charge. It took Mike Fisher to get that one around Bundy’s neck. The Bundy case is a superb example of investigative “up and downs”, but it was always headed in one direction, and one direction only: straight towards Bundy.

            Personally speaking, I’ll always be grateful for the help and assistance given to me by Jerry Thompson, Bob Keppel, Mike Fisher, Don Patchen, Bill Hagmaier, Al Carlisle, and all the others I had the pleasure working with during the writing of The Bundy Murders.

        2. RD says:

          I would have liked to have met Thompson and Fisher. Just to hear their stories around a bond fire. Surely, Bundy had to have murdered somewhere in July, 1975. Is he good for Cooley and Roberston in Colorado? I believe he attacked the flight attendants in 1966 as well.

      2. Brad says:

        Hey, Kevin

        My point wasn’t to rehash the investigations, I was just wondering what was wrong with Det. Keppel. I agree that the men who actually caught Bundy and put him away/sent him to his just reward have not been given their due, especially Mike Fisher, who IMHO did the most comprehensive investigative work prior to Florida. If the morons at the Garfield County Jail had only listened and taken his warnings seriously, Lisa Levy, Margaret Bowman and Kim Leach might still be alive.

        Anyway, why do they go to Washington so much? My personal theory is twofold – one, the crimes started there, and two, Bob Keppel is the one who is most likely to talk on camera about the case. Other than one YouTube video where he was interviewed, and the “enhanced” version of Keppel and Michaud’s “Terrible Secrets” book, I have never seen an on-camera interview with Det. Fisher. Chris “Captain Borax II” Mortensen did in depth interviews with Jerry Thompson and the late Bob Hayward – both available on YouTube – but other than that…

        What do you think?

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Covering WA is very important, as many victims were from that state’ plus, some of his most bold and unusual crimes occurred there. So covering it is a must. Covering what Bob Keppel and crew did is a must as well. It’s the unequal coverage given to WA investigators that makes it so absurd in the minds of us who know better; and especially so because they never caught Ted. To sum it up, here’s what I mean: In the info section for Ted Bundy: An American Monster, it talks about the man (Keppel) who brought Ted to justice, when in fact, this is absolutely not true! It’s like a great delusion that has settled over the case and it all begins and ends in Washington State, yet it’s not true.

          Now, you’re correct that Mike Fisher doesn’t appear on camera much, and that was also (for the most part) true with Jerry Thompson in the past, while Keppel appears to be on all of them. And that’s what I mean when I speak of the ignorance (and perhaps laziness) on the part of the documentarians who refuse to search others out. The ones who believe WA did it all are ignorant, and the ones who may know a little bit more may not be doing the proper investigation to seek out the ones who actually brought Ted to justice. For example:

          There was a production company that contacted me a number of years ago, and when I asked them how they obtained my info, they said they had received it from Stephen Michaud (The Only Living Witness co-author), and that made sense as Stephen did not have contact info on either Jerry Thompson or Al Carlisle, but I had both. So, I helped them get in contact with them, and they flew to Utah and California and interviewed them both. And apparently, they produced a documentary that was far more factual than the run of the mill, as it were. A footnote to this particular deal, I ended up being sorry that I helped this UK production company as they failed to do something I asked them to do. It was a small request from me, and while they promised to do so, they did not. And when I spoke later to Jerry and Al they both said the company had failed to do what they said they would do with their small requests. So, if I had a chance to do that one again, I would refuse. However, most documentarians I’ve dealt with have been both upstanding and true to their word. I have built my reputation on always keeping my word, and that goes a very long way with people.

          So in the end, the “myth” that WA brought Ted t justice, and therefore our documentaries can begin and end there, will likely continue until they either get smart, or start really doing their research and seeking out the actual investigators who brought Ted to justice. Until that time, it will be more of the same. And believe me, this myth is well entrenched.
          Washington State should always be covered in-depth when it comes to the murders of Ted Bundy. But if that;s all they do, they’ll keep producing these substandard and greatly incomplete “documentaries”.

          1. Brad says:

            I do see your point, of course.

            Maybe someday either you or Mr. Mortensen can convince Mike Fisher to go on-camera. On the YouTube video I mentioned, sometimes you can barely hear him and his interviewer.

            The video (in 2 parts) is here, if you haven’t seen them:


          2. RD says:

            Mike Fisher, Jerry Thompson, Carol Daronch and Bundy himself brought himself down. Using his real name at Lake Sammamish, Daronch escaping, gas credit card trail, Wildwood Inn brochure, high school play brochure, Bob Hayward…and just being the weirdo that he was. The bank teller who ducked when he walked in the bank!

          3. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Indeed, RD, all of the above lol! 🙂

      3. RD says:


        I have enjoyed all of your work. The Bundy case became very stale over the years until you injected new life in to it. I understand that you benefited from the FOIA in your research. What can we now extract from books such as “In Defense of Denial?” Whose premise seems to entertain further evidence of other activity at the Issaquah and Taylor Mountain crime scenes?

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Hi RD,

          First, thanks for the good words about my Bundy books. I always put my heart and soul into my work, and I’m happy most folks like the results.

          I haven’t read that book, so I can’t speak about it. However, I just purchased Al Carlisle’s Violent Mind, about the 1976 Tests on Bundy. Although I worked with Al when writing The Bundy Murders, and published some of his material in my other two books, I’m sure I’ll find a lot of new and interesting stuff inside that book.

          Thanks again, RD!


  11. markb says:

    well, i’ve got all 3 of the Bundy books. i am glad i bought them, i can relate to a paper book much easier that an e-book. TBM is very darned impressive! i’ve read it at least twice, but this is much better for me. sticks in my little 2 volt mind better.
    Kevin, i would really like to communicate with you about one of your upcoming books. if you can find a time, and don’t mind doing it, can you fire off an e-mail to me at markbrewer45@yahoo.com

    and anybody else who wants to talk about bundy and true crime, please write me!

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hey Mark,

      I just sent you an email. 🙂

  12. markb says:

    i just went on amazon and bought paper copies of all 3 Sullivan books, 2 used and one new. i have to shave pennies wherever i can!

    i bought all 3 of these books for my kindle very shortly after they became available. the kindle medium is great – the search function is a life saver, i’m here to tell you! but i am old school and to really absorb it, i got to read it in a book i can hold in my sweaty little hands and spill coffee all over and fold up and mark up the pages and just basically violate physically.

    Kevin: i wanted to tell you about how i came to know about your work on Bundy: a friend of mine at the Lagrange, Ky Assembly of God church told me about your first book, maybe even before it was published. do you have some friends there?

    1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hey Mark,

      That’s very interesting. I think that’s the church my brother-in-law, Scott Weeks attended for many years. Plus I know a lady from years ago who attends the church, but I have no idea if she is even aware I’m a writer. Do you remember who told you?

      1. markb says:

        the name “Scott Weeks” sounds familiar, that’s probably how the info came to me. i had a good friend who attended that church for a long time. he knew i was interested in SKs and etc. He called me up and told me, “hey, did you know a guy from Louisville (Louavul) wrote a book on bundy?” which was very interesting to hear. he might have even told me your name, can’t recall. Probably came from Mr Weeks.

  13. markb says:

    writing project: i retired from the Kentucky State Police last year. i was a facilities security officer, not a state trooper. i worked mostly at night and i had plenty of time to read. i’ve always been interested in crime and SK’s. i’ve read just about everything there is on bundy. about a week after i retired, i got a big urge to write about him. i worked on it for 3 months and got discouraged – keeping my notes and sources straight was ridiculously hard!

    this spring, i picked up some of what i had done and realized it was way too good to abandon. one interesting thing was that i thought i knew much about bundy, but after 3 months of research, i had to change a lot of opinions i had held formerly.

    i started out writing a true crime penny dreadful, but it is becoming a book about psychopathy.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      That’s very interesting, mark. I have always found the research more daunting (lol!) than the actual writing of a book. Folks who don’t write books have no idea what goes into creating one. It is an astounding amount of mental, and sometimes emotional, labor, as you learn the story you’re writing about, and it takes time. But it CAN be done!

      Good luck with the project, Mark. Let us know from time to time how it’s all going. 🙂

      1. markb says:

        thank you so much for the encouragement, Kevin. i will put up a little sample at some point.

        1. Corey R says:

          Sample now! 🙂

          1. markb says:

            alas, Corey, my little child is yet too tender and delicate to be exposed to the rough and tumble of the internet. Soon, though.

  14. Judy T says:

    Hi Kevin…just had to say I read the new Timeline book and I think the guy was very unprofessional where he tries to discredit some of your writing. Otherwise, he has a few good pictures and tidbits of info and a couple of his theories are interesting to read, however, yours is,and I believe,will remain the definitive books on Bundy. Have a great day!

    1. Brad says:


    2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Judy!

      First, thanks so much for the really good words about my Bundy books! I very much appreciate them. 🙂

      Yes, he is very unprofessional, and as I’ve said here in posts about Dielenberg as I’ve answered their questions about him, I consider what he did very strange. He came to me as he was writing the book, and sent me a PDF of the uncompleted book. I told him I liked it and I encouraged him to continue on. At no time did I say or do anything that could be construed as being against him or detrimental to his work; except perhaps (and this would be in his mind) when he asked if he could use the pic I took of Bundy’s Utah rooming house and appears in The Bundy Murders. I told him I couldn’t do that, as my publisher, McFarland, basically owns it now and has it under copyright. Perhaps that rubbed him the wrong way. Or, it could be when I discovered he had copied a page or two of text in his book that came – word for word- from The Bundy Murders, and I told him he needed to either re-write it in his own words, or, he could put it in quotes and give credit for my book, otherwise, he might open himself up to a plagiarism issue should my publisher be made aware of it. These things I mentioned to him so that he could avoid some very nasty problems. In other words, I was doing him a favor. Little did I know I was talking to an enemy. And apparently the reason he went down that road was to try to harm my book and better his; something that did not work and never will work. It was an extremely bad move on his part.

      Btw: If you check out the Timeline on Amazon, you can read my review of his book, where I dismantle his absurd charges against me.

      Thanks again, Judy. 🙂

      1. Judy T says:

        You’re welcome. And I read your review on his book an the response was very well worded. Since he likes to try to point out what he thinks are mistakes, I will point out one I found in his timeline-he states that in July of 1986 that Carole leaves for Seattle permanently and then say is in November of 86 that she is still visiting him two hours per day. Just thought I would point it out-although I am sure others have noticed as well.
        Have a great day!

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Hi Judy,

          Well, I only pointed out a couple of his mistakes in the review, but there are many others. And I did not catch the one you caught so there’s yet another one lol!

          Did he actually think his book would be flawless? You can see where I made small corrections concerning my first book with the publication of my second book, The Trail of Ted Bundy. Not major mistakes, just little things.

          Also, his book lacks ANY major new revelations, which i think some were expecting given all the pre-publication hype. When I told folks prior to the publication of The Bundy Murders that there was new information about 3 or 4 of the murders, it was in there for all to see. And perhaps it bothered him that he didn’t get these breaks himself; I don’t know. But as I have said in other posts recently, as a timeline, it’s a good book (minus his attacks on me), and much of the “good” in the book can be attributed to his American contact Chris Mortensen

          See ya, Judy!

          1. markb says:

            i’m up in the middle of my own writing project on TB and i am finding his book very useful, but as i’m going through it, i’m finding lots of little zingers of error also. it’s useful, but not definitive. Mr. Sullivan pays lots more attention to detail.

            I love chris mortenson’s videos! the one he made with the cop who arrested TB in utah is great – that old guy is so cool! he knew there were three WESTERNS at the drive in that night.

            check it out on youtube, it’s great.

          2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Yes, timelines are great, and in fact, the FBI years ago put out their own timeline (The Multi-Agency Report,or something along those lines), and it too has some mistakes. Also,in writing a timeline (because you were kind enough to compare my work (favorably) to his lol!), it’s important to note that anyone writing a timeline has a great advantage because they don’t have to tie things together in a cohesive manner, as one must do writing a full biography. It’s much easier to simply follow consecutive dates, and write about what happened at those times using not just the official record, but the biographies that have been written before that can, in many cases, guide you to those days.

            Yes, Bob Hayward was really great in that video. Unfortunately, Bob passed away last week. He was 90 something, a WW2 vet, and lived a good and long life.

            Congrats on your Bundy project, Mark! If you’d like to, feel free to share it with us at a point you’re comfortable doing so. 🙂


  15. Max says:

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  16. markb says:

    Kevin: i wanted to say that i recently bought Dielenberg’s Timeline book. it is an incredible resource, but there was no reason for him to be so rude to you! he could have administered his “corrective” much more politely. it’s a ugly spot in what’s otherwise a great piece of work.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Well, Dielenberg, made it clear to others that it was his intention to bring my book, The Bundy Murders, down so that his book could rise! And he communicated the same to me, even stating “You’re the animal I am hunting”! lol! Can you believe that?! Well, obviously, that’s not going to happen, as my book is not only one of the main Bundy books out there, but it has lots of new and never before published information that you won’t find even in the previous Bundy biographies. Indeed, he uses my book as a source for his timeline.

      As to Dielenberg’s “corrective” comments, he would be better served if he were correct in his criticisms! He doesn’t know the Bundy case as well as he thinks he does, and I told him that after this entire thing started. He thinks he does, but he doesn’t, and I take down his charges against me in my review of his book on Amazon. Here’s a link to see how I dismantle them.


      Now, as to the Timeline itself, I like the book FOR WHAT IT IS. It will never be compared with the in-depth Bundy biographies, and it has NO GROUND BREAKING INFO in it as I had with my book, THE BUNDY MURDERS. It does has some new interesting tidbits, which can be compared with, say, the interviews contained in either my second or third book on the case, but even then, not nearly as many. AND (this is a big one) Dielenberg owes
      much of what is good in the book to his American contact, Chris Mortenson. And Chris, unlike Dielenberg, happens to be a nice guy.

      Lastly, I know a lot of folks in the “Bundy world” from detectives, lawyers, medical personal, and others, and I can tell you that I have received feedback from some of them telling me how much they dislike him. And I didn’t go out seeking this information, these folks contacted me! However, Chris Mortenson has worked with some of those I worked with (Jerry Thompson and Russ Reneau for example) and I’m sure he has a great reputation with them. But Dielenberg? Not so much.

      So in the end, I see the Timeline as a good book for what it is; much like one might view a coffee table book. But as to real staying power – the ability to stay viable? Only time will tell. I know a couple influential individuals in the business of books who don’t believe it does, and they have expressed that to me. So only time will tell.

      1. markb says:

        if it was his goal to bring your book down, he did not achieve it at all, and that’s pretty damn silly of him.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Yes,and it was strange of him to even try. The guy originally contacted me and I encouraged hm in the project; little did I know he was a calculating enemy. Too bad for him, as he has put a stain on himself and his work for many in the “Bundy world”. And while he didn’t work with all the folks I worked with on the case (he doesn’t possess the outreach to these folks like I do), I contacted the ones I know who contributed to his book, and filled them in on his antics lol!

          1. markb says:

            kevin: on the difference between your book and Dielenberg’s, and on it’s “staying power” – Dielenberg’s book is useful for it’s info and layout, but it will only be of interest to researchers. i can’t see it being something that a general reader of true crime would pay 30 bucks for.

            you mentioned “biography” – to my way of thinking, your’s is the only real biography, well, ok, maybe Rebecca Morris’ book would fit that. i love Ann Rule and Bob Keppel’s books, and all of them written are useful, but i don’t exactly think of those as biographies. to complete my flattery, but i really mean it, TBM: is a certain important milestone in “Bundy Studies”. it makes it possible for a guy like me to write about TB a lot more coherently and without repeating certain errors. my book, admittedly, is just a bunch of my speculations, which i will admit to the reader right off the bat. but i’m having a blast writing it! and your work really makes it possible.

          2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Hi Mark,

            Thanks for the good words about my book! I really appreciate them. 🙂

            That’s a good observation about the Rule and Keppel books: In my view, Rule’s book is not a biography at all, but rather her story, friendship, and interactions with Bundy. That’s what makes her book special and interesting. But no, it’s not a bio in the truest sense. The same goes with Keppel. Again, not a bio, but a really good book about the case and his unique dealings with Ted Bundy. And i like both books.

            I must say, I’m a fan of The Only Living Witness (a bio) and their Conversations with a Killer (not a bio). And I really love Richard Larsen’s, Bundy: The Deliberate Stranger, and Ted Bundy: The Killer Next Door, by Stephen Winn and David Merrill. Both are biographies and are excellent works on the case.

            As for my book, The Bundy Murders, I was very fortunate to discover a good deal of new and important information, and I didn’t know that was gong to happen when I started out. But beyond this, it’s also the way I have written the book that I think registers with people. That is, all previous biographies were written and published years before Bundy made his confessions, and as such, you read where a certain victim disappears and everyone understands it’s Bundy, even without having all the details. But with my book, I have written it as if you’re right in the backseat of Ted’ s VW, as it were, watching it all happen. I have also gone into great detail describing the lives of the victims, and folks seem to appreciate that too. My next two Bundy books are filled with lots of new info too, but they both are actually companion volumes to The Bundy Murders.

            Anyway, thanks again for the good words about my bio of Ted Bundy. 🙂

  17. markb says:

    Kevin: i’m pretty sure you’ve talked about this on this thread somewhere, but it’s hard to find anything on it. i hope you can help me with this.
    i understand that you don’t believe the story about bundy knowing Laura Aimes before he abducted her. and others who have written about this crime don’t believe it either. i would really like to know what is it about this story that makes it less than credible? this is not a criticism, i am unsure about it. i would just like to know your thoughts about it’s lack of credibility.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hey Mark,

      I probably have talked about that on this thread, but it’s so long now, I have no idea where it might be lol!

      Now, the main reason i don’t believe it is that Bundy admitted to Florida investigators that he never harms anyone he knows. When he said this he also said four or five other things, and they all have the ring of truth to them. It appeared to me that Bundy was at that moment being brutally honest about himself. He even asked the detectives to turn off the recorder so that he could tell them in private. And I have copies that Det. Don Patchen made of the interview. So, that’s the first thing.

      The second is that there are parts of the testimony that just don’t ring true for me. It just doesn’t feel right based on what I know about Bundy and how he was in Utah. Now, I could be wrong about this, and I say so in my second book, The Trail of Ted Bundy. So while I think it’s possible this story is true I don’t believe it is likely. And again, the reason I don’t believe it is his confession about not harming those he knew, and if this story is true, he would have known Laura quite well by that point.

      He may have known of Lynda Ann Healy in Seattle (perhaps taken a class with her), and perhaps even knew her name. But I’m absolutely convinced he didn’t really know her.

      I hope this helps.

      1. Brad says:

        I agree with you on Laura Aime. But I’m not really sure that he didn’t know Lynda Ann Healy. There are a couple of points that lead me to believe he knew her at least somewhat well (please correct any mistakes in my recollection):

        1. Before the kidnap/murder night, Bundy on several occasions visited the house . He had a cousin there in residence at some point, so he must have gotten to know at least some of the residents well.

        2. Bundy had at least one class (Psych?) with Healy.

        If these factors mean that he DID know Miss Healy well, or at least fairly well, one can only imagine how that must have added to the horror felt by Lynda that night after she came to at Taylor Mountain (or wherever he first took her).

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          You know, I have heard that Bundy visited the Healy rooming house prior to that time, etc. However, that info does not play a real part in the official record. There may be a mention somewhere, but I have all the records and it just isn’t a prominent part of the investigation. That said, there could be some truth to it.

          Yes, Ted may have had a psychology class with Healy at one time, and I do mention a lady in The Trail of Ted Bundy who had a Abnormal Psychology class with Bundy at one point. It is also true that Bundy shopped the same Safeway ( In believe that’s the place), that Healy shopped, so there is that. So I’m very convinced he knew of her (I could be wrong?), but as to really knowing her, I still lean towards no on that one, And again (lol!) I could be wrong. I also absolutely believe Bundy called the rooming house that night a couple of times but refused to speak when the housemate answered the phone. Can I prove it? No, but I highly suspect it.

          See, there are still mysteries about the Ted Bundy case lol!

      2. markb says:

        one of the biggest problems, for me, with the whole “Bundy knew Laura” tale is the timing of the abduction. so TB just happened to be there when Laura, whom he knew, theoretically, walks out of a party? that’s some bizarre luck, IMO.

        of course, he could have been waiting nearby, expecting her to come outside, but i see that as a “stretch”.

        but i’m not willing to totally blow this story off. bundy told lies like most people breathe, which is to say, ALL THE TIME, and “I never kill anyone i know” is him trying to control his image, to me.

        Kevin i have bought all 3 of your bundy books, they are an excellent resource for research.

        i did read what you had to say about this incident, but i still had questions. Thanks!

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Oh sure, and I understand. As I say in Trail, it may indeed be true. As to his statement that he doesn’t hurt anyone he knows, let me say this: There are only a few places and time periods where I believe Ted Bundy was exceedingly truthful. One, during his end of life confessions conducted over the last few days of his life/ Two, when he asked the Florida detectives to turn off their recorders which I have mentioned above. Three, when Bundy, acting as attorney, took the deposition of Det. Chapman and asked him about what “Theodore Bundy” had told him about the Kim Leach murder site, and how Bundy had said, “It was too horrible to look at”. And four, to a somewhat lesser degree when he was dealing with Michaud and Aynesworth as he was “confessing” in the third parson during their research which led to The Only Living Witness and conversations With a Killer. And I use the word “somewhat” above because when Ted was doing this, he was very careful not to implicate himself in any way, and he made sure he didn’t give away the actual ways HE abducted these women and murdered them. He couldn’t really come clean here, so he kept those facts in the shadows, as it were. But he was completely honest at the end, and when, at the end, he encountered something he’d rather not talk about n(like sex with the dead body of Georgann Hawkins) he’d just say things like “I’ll have to get with you later about that”. Otherwise, he was quite forthright.

          And thanks, mark, for the very nice words about my books!

          1. Corey R says:

            Yeah, the Aime case is a strange one. I personally lean toward it being true – mainly because the account in Deliberate Stranger sounds so likely. I think Larson was a good writer, did his homework, and wouldn’t have included it had he not had good reason to. Secondly, when Bundy says he didn’t hurt those he knew, I think this was part truth, part lip service. If he developed a fixation on Aime from the moment he saw her, and kept having interactions with her, this was only to get her alone. I mean, he spent the night with Brenda Ball too (if we believe his third person confessions in Michaud’s book) – plenty of time for her to become ‘more than a stranger’, yet he killed her too. Bundy went against the grain on the odd occasion with his abductions – it’s very likely he was hanging out with her. Or we could say the source in that book was ‘making it up’ but that doesn’t sit well with me. For all we know, he may have been stalking Aime that very night she vanished. Didn’t Fisher also think this story was true? One thing about Bundy, you never can be sure – he was a master of pulling off the improbable.

          2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Oh, I hear you Cory, and that’s why I included it in The Trail of ted Bundy. And yes, we can’t put Ted in a box; i.e. he can break out of any MO at any moment. He was normally consistent in his actions but he could switch it around at any moment.

            As to Ball, that’s an interesting theory. Now, I have a tendency to believe what Bundy told Michaud was true. But I also think he intended to kill Ball from the moment he picked her up. In fact, Bundy had been with Liz and her parents that night, and he rather oddly cut away from them early (I think in Liz’s mind it was early), and went out hunting for a victim. I believe that need to kill suddenly arose in Ted and he wanted to fulfill that need. So I would see that as a different scenario from what MAY have happened between Bundy and Laura.

            Yes, I have a great deal respect for Larson and his book, The Deliberate Stranger; it’s excellent. I was very sorry to hear that he had passed away when I was doing my research for The Bundy Murders back in 2007 and 2008, as I would have loved to talk with him.

            I never talked to Mike Fisher about Bundy supposedly knowing Aime, and he may have believed it. But in any event, just in case it is the truth, I’m glad I passed along what the record has to say about it. After all, it is part of the Bundy story, if for no other reason, it’s talked about in the record.

  18. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Here’s my latest piece at WildBlue Press…

    My Scoutmaster the Sadist…


    1. Lucy says:

      I had a female gym teacher who played a similar game with us. It wasn’t quite as sadistic as it was just spanking with hands. This teacher also often gave the girls a swat on the backside. She also would invite students (usually around 13 or 14 yo) to her home after school and on weekends. These days her actions would set off warning flags and it wouldn’t be allowed. Back then it just felt weird and wrong. So many in positions of trust abuse it, and it’s not always men who do this.

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        You are so correct, Lucy, it’s not always about men. Women can be just as abusive, they’re just not as often singled out for whatever reason. And yes, I can’t imagine your situation or mine being allowed today. That said, the abusers of today will always find a way to operate, because they’re driven. And I’m always glad when they’re exposed.

        When I was a young teenager, I would have loved (lol!) to have been taken advantage of by a good looking school teacher, but it never happened (it did happen to a friend of mine at another school). But as an adult man, I came to understand how bad that would have been. For these women to do such things (and there seems to be a rash of them lately), it’s very unwise to “start the engines” of these boys at that age, as they will not want to turn it off at that point. But apparently these selfish women (and men when the roles are reversed) simply don’t care.

        Anyway, thanks for the comment, Lucy!


  19. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hey Cory…

    I tried to respond to one of your posts, but there is no “reply” to click and do so. So let me respond here.

    As for me, I am not a fan of Bundy at all. He transformed himself into a diabolical killer, and as such, he deserved to be put to death. The case, however, is exceedingly interesting, and I can’t emphasize this enough! But if Bundy was still alive today, and I spoke with him, I would have nothing but contempt and anger with the man; so much so, that it would, perhaps after only a brief time, start to come out and he would quickly get the message. Most folks who dealt with Bundy were constantly trying to placate him, and be nice, so he wouldn’t shut things down, but that would be very hard for me to do. That’s why I find it both interesting and funny Hugh Aynesworth, co-author with Stephen Michaud for The Only Living Witness, actually insults Bundy a couple of times when Bundy irritated him lol! That’s no doubt how it would go with me. That’s why I have always made it a habit of avoiding interviewing killers. I don’t like them and have nothing but contempt for them. I’d much rather deal with the detectives, street cops, and others who worked so hard to bring them to justice. 🙂

    1. markb says:

      in reading thousands of bundy’s self-serving words, i frequently find myself wishing that some large cop would take a pair of brass knuckles and rearrange bundy’s face a little.

      to know him is to despise him, imho.

  20. Brad says:

    Hey, Kevin

    I just listened to your interview on the “Spaced Out
    Radio” podcast. I have one comment.

    As per the host’s insistence that Bundy should not have been executed, at least until the families of the missing women and girls were able to have closure, finding out where their daughters/sisters were – if I recall correctly, most if not all of them WERE contacted. If not by the investigators themselves, then by various state authorities or Bundy’s attorneys (Jim Coleman, Polly Nelson and Diana Weiner), or even victims advocates to see if they wanted the execution postponed for that very reason. According to the late Ann Rule in “The Stranger Beside Me”, to a man and woman, all refused to intercede for Bundy.

    I was surprised you didn’t make that point.

    1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Well, he’s a very anti death penalty guy anyway, and usually anti death penalty prople will use any and all excuses to keep these turds alive; and that may have been going on with this fellow.

      You’re correct: I don’t believe any of the family members of the victims were wanting Bundy to stay alive. There may have been some, but I’m not aware of them.

      1. All but one refused to intercede. From her own agonizing experience, she understood what the rest were enduring. As much as she wanted Bundy dead, if any good could come from a delay, she would accept it. Although she was probably the one most devastated by Bundy’s depravity, she was the only one who put the interests of others above her own. Her name was Eleanor Rose.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          I was thinking about Denise’s mom when I wrote my post, but honestly, I can’t remember how she felt about that at the end. I know prior to his execution, she was practically begging Bundy to give her info, but Ted, being a mean bastard, refused. And I recall a heart-rending article about her after he was put to death, and she looked so extremely sad in the picture they took while the reporter was interviewing her at her house. But I do not recall her speaking about that issue at the time, but perhaps I’ve forgotten it.

          Are you aware that King Country lost Denise’s remains? Not only did she lose her daughter to murder, but the incompetence of the authorities denied her the actual burial of her child. Unbelievable.

          1. The remains of Ott were also misplaced. Th county settled financially, but that’s no substitute.

            Bundy didn’t reply to lEleanor’s letters because he was mean but rather because, with his appeals intact, he simply couldn’t talk about specifics.

            In the late 80’s, I saw a TV interview with Eleanor. Her pain and sadness were clearly apparent.

            After the execution, Eleanor tracked down Bobby Lewis, Ted’s closest prison friend, and began corresponding him. He told me about how devastated she was saying, “I sure don’t want to hurt only help this woman.”

          2. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Yeah, I only called Bundy a mean bastard because he caused so many people so much pain. And Denise’s mom suffered terribly from it. Indeed, all the families were never the same. How could they be?

            I do wish Bundy would have reached out to Eleanore just before he was put to death, just as he came clean on the Denise Oliverson and Susan Curtis murders. Just a few words would have helped her immensely.

          3. Corey R says:

            In all honesty though… what was it Eleanor wanted to hear? Her daughters remains were found, and clearly she was raped and endured a horrific end. If she wanted Bundy to say “It was quick and she felt no pain” she was only fooling herself. Apparently Bundy told Gerard Schaefer in prison some of the details of Naslunds death (too grotesque to repeat here). If Eleanor ever heard that, I don’t know why she’d want to hear more. Fuck Bundy.

          4. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            I think Eleanore was trying to make sense of it all, and she, being normal in her thinking, perhaps thought Ted could be normal in his thinking and respond normally so that she could understand; as if to say “Why would you do this to my daughter?” And then, naively, she believed he could give her an answer to help her understand. She was a devastated women wanting answers that were never going to come to her. There are no rational answers. Bundy was a fiend, and that’s it, and Denise had the misfortune of crossing paths with Bundy and her life ended. So terrible.

        2. Brad says:

          Where did you hear/read that? From everything I read and heard from that time, Eleanor Rose was the most adamant that he be executed on time, with NO delays.

          And, as I pointed out, not one of the families of the MISSING (the ones who supposedly would have benefited) supported a delay. They saw through Bundy’s obvious delaying tactics, and refused to help.

          1. The source was a 1/19/89 Seattle P-I article, “Bundy Offer: Let Me Live a While and I’ll Talk” by Steve Militech. It doesn’t seem to be available on the internet anymore. To quote the pertinent details:

            “Relatives of at least two Seattle area women [Healy and Ott] believed to be among Bundy’s victims said that as far as they’re concerned, Florida can go ahead and pull the switch. But the mother of another Seattle victim said she would favor a short delay if it meant the truth would come out.

            “… [detail about Healy and Ott]”

            “Eleanor Rose, the mother of another presumed Bundy victim, said she would favor a short delay in the execution if he is willing to provide conclusive information. Rose, who still keeps her daughter’s room much as the young woman left it, has been haunted for years by the killing.

            “I would like him to confess, said Rose, whose daughter, Denise Naslund, disappeared from Lake Sammamish State Park the same day as Ott.”

            Apparently Rule missed this article.

            Regarding your comment that “not one of the families of the MISSING … supported a delay,” anyone publicly known in January, 1989 to have had contact with Bundy, such as Bundy’s spiritual advisor John Tanner and Washington Secretary of State Ralph Munro were besieged by families with missing daughters asking that the execution be delayed so they could learn if Bundy had or had not been responsible for the fate of their daughters.

          2. Corey R says:

            Clearly everyone hear are fans of the Bundy story, if not the man himself. It’s a real shame human nature is drawn to life’s dark side. The story itself defies belief – the possibilities of what he did that we don’t know about (carrying bodies up and down stairs of houses with multiple tenants, entering and exiting Healy’s house like a ghost) are mind boggling in their execution. When you factor in that he may have been responsible for Burr (highly, HIGHLY likely) and the murder of John Henry Browne’s partner (no proof of this… but who was the mystery victim in California and why did Bundy so desperately track down Browne after hearing about the murder of his partner??), you have a story far beyond the realms of fiction and normality.

          3. Brad says:

            I’d wouldn’t call myself a “fan” of the Bundy story in any way. I’m utterly sickened by the depths of depravity that Ted Bundy showed his victims, and society generally. I became fascinated more by how the rat bastard (as in the evil POS he became, not that he was illegitimate) was caught. And how others like him might be stopped in the future.

            So, if I’m a fan of anyone in this case, it would be of the men and women who worked to stop him (Bob Keppel, Roger Dunn, Kathleen McChesney, Mike Fisher, Jerry Thompson, Don Patchen, Steven Bodiford, Norm Chapman, Bob Hayward, Pete Hayward, Larry Simpson, Bob Dekle, et al), the survivors (Carol DaRonch, Cheryl Thomas, Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler).

            As per why so many are fascinated by the dark side of humanity: my personal theory is simple voyeurism. That is, people are drawn to the abnormal, or like to be “scared” by the unknown, and have to look.

            Or something like that…

  21. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    For those who missed it, here’s the Ted Bundy “Trail” photos…

    (Btw: Today, July 14, 2017, is the 43rd anniversary of the double-abduction at Lake Sammamish)


    1. Corey R says:

      My God, how time flies! I will make it over there some day!

      Has it changed much since 1974? Or is it just the same as it used to be?

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        Much of it is the same. Since I was there in July 2015, the Bundy home at 658 Skyline Drive has been refurbished on the inside. I spoke to the owner and her son when I was there and they invited me in to see the place, but I foolishly (lol!) turned them down. (What was I thinking? lol!) And of course, Dante’s Tavern had a fire and is permanently closed, and that’s a bummer. But much of it is the same.

        The same goes for Oregon State University. It looks almost identical to when Kathy Parks attended. Utah looks much the same as well, except for the Fashion Place Mall which in now unrecognizable on the one side of the outside of the mall, due to newer construction. The Colorado sites look much the same too. So if you have a chance to go in the future, do so. It’s very interesting to see these places up close and personal. And be sure to take your Bundy books with you! 🙂

        1. Corey R says:

          I will. But it’ll be a solo trip. The wife says “I’ll never go on a holiday to take a tour of places that piece of shit hunted innocent women. Enjoy yourself”.

          1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Lol! Tell her to come along anyway. There’s a lot to see in these places other than Bundy that she’d enjoy. And she might end up finding the Bundy stuff a bit interesting.

  22. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hi all!

    Check out the Kathy Parks abduction site photos. I forgot to add these the other night, but better late than never, right? Lol!


  23. Brad says:

    I wonder if anybody here (including Kevin) has read or purchased the book “Ted Bundy: A Visual Timeline” by Dr. Robert Dielenberg? I was considering getting it to add to my collection.


    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Brad,

      Yes, I do have a copy, and while it’s not a biography of Ted, it is an interesting book. However, the author attacks me (by name!) in it in several places, and I had to take him to task over it, Indeed, if you follow this link you can read my review of his work; and don’t forget to read the comments as well, as even more info is revealed pertaining to his attack upon me.

      Good to hear from you, Brad.


      1. Corey R says:

        Rob Dielenberg has a personality disorder. He’s rude, sarcastic, caustic, and just plain unprofessional. The amount of people he’s alienated on his page is astounding – I feel for those who work with him because they do a great job and are forced to clean up his mess (in other words, having to apologise for him all the time). It’s a shame – he’s written a good book… but it’s kind of like when you meet your favourite musicians and they turn out to be complete A-holes – you don’t ever wanna listen to their music again.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Hi Cory,

          I can tell you that I have a lot of contacts in the “Bundy” world, from detectives, to writers, to agents, etc, and I can tell you that Dielenberg does not have a good reputation with many of them.

          And of course, if you’ve read his book you can see how he attacked me. And I’ve answered his petty charges in my review of his book on Amazon.

          Take care,


          1. Brad says:

            Hey, Kevin

            I read your review, and I agree with you on these points. Also, as Corey R has pointed out, Mr. Dielenberg does seem to have an attitude problem towards those who disagree with him on any point. However, you called his book interesting, and as a visual guide, it might be good companion to your books, as well as the others. His attitude problems aside, anyway.

            Anyhow, what do you think? Am I right on the last point, and should I buy it?

          2. Kevin M Sullivan says:

            Hi Brad,

            Yes, it’s an interesting book for what it is. In my view, it will never be in the same category as the in-depth biographies. But as s visual timeline, it’s interesting and worth having. There are, as I said in my review, numerous mistakes in the book ( I believe they corrected two after I pointed them out lol!), but there are many others. You’ll also see a good deal of speculation, which, to be honest, is not a bad thing if it’s pointed out as such, because there is a sense of mystery attached to parts to the Bundy case. Where Dielenberg got it wrong with me, I believe, is because he just didn’t know the case as well as I do. Plus, he had an agenda with me- it became personal to him- and that is an odd aspect as well. But all in all, for what the book is ( I DO NOT consider it ground breaking!) it’s worth having.

            As far as the book and me? I’m glad I picked up a copy, and a good deal of the book can be attributed to the hard work of Chris Mortensen, his American contact. I like Chris and I think he did an excellent job helping him. So I like the book, I don’t like or respect Dielenberg, and I like Chris.

          3. Corey R says:

            Absolutely agree. Chris is great, and that book could not have been written without him. There are some snippets in the book that have never been revealed before, and it’s the closest a study will ever get to the ‘diseased mind’ aspect of the Bundy story. But yeah, the attacks on Sullivan undermine it, and lace the whole project with ego. And why the competition? I mean, who wants to be the ‘only word to rely on about Ted’?? No one will ever figure the guy out, no one will ever fill in those mystery blanks of incidents no one can figure out. To carry on like the ‘Bundy know-it-all’ is kinda laughable. I’d rather have civilised discussions with Bundy-philes that like to trade theories and information, not get criticised by the ultimate Bundy nutbag who refuses to see past his own nose.

          4. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

            Yeah, Dielenberg does have his issues lol!

            And yes, some snippets of new stuff that is indeed interesting; but nothing, in my opinion, that can be considered ground-breaking or of great revelation, i.e. no new revelations about the murders.

            But something to go along with the biographies – a coffee table book, if you will ? Yes, it’s a very good book; minus the shots at me of course, lol!

          5. Brad says:

            Just a quick question – would this Chris Mortensen fellow be the same guy who has a number of YouTube videos under the pseudonym “Captain Borax II”? I’ve seen his Bundy location videos, and he promotes Dielenberg’s book. Also, he has several interview videos, including with Jerry Thompson, and Bob Hayward (who actually took him on a ride showing him the route where he chased Bundy the night his exposure finally began).

            I’ve posted questions on these videos, and he’s quite friendly in his responses. That’s why I’m wondering if he’s this Mr. Mortensen.

          6. Kevin M Sullivan says:

            Hey Brad,

            Yes, Chris is Captain Borax, and he is a very nice guy. And he provided Dielenberg with info he’d obtained that Dielenberg would have never gotten his hands upon. Without these contributions, the book would be far less interesting, in my opinion.

          7. Brad says:

            That settles it, then. I’ll buy it.

  24. Jack says:

    Concerning the new Bundy film which is now regrettably starring Zack Effron, I would care to say that over three years ago when the script for that movie made the prestigious Hollywood “Black List,” I made efforts to see if I could track down the script.

    Being a screenplay that had that much attention drawn to it, I didn’t have to look hard to find it online. It really is quite good, as both a piece of writing and a character driven story.

    Firstly, and please remember, this was a draft three years ago, this is a film that cannot contain its secret. The secret of the film is it’s about Ted Bundy. The film is never forthcoming that it is a serial killer biopic until the last scene and you can’t fool audiences since the dawn of the Internet. The character of “Ted” is never called Ted Bundy. He’s never shown doing anything violent. This is a film from Bundy’s perspective: an innocent man on trial for his life.

    It starts with the Utah arrest and ends with Liz and Ted’s last meeting. So the story really explores the trials and Ted’s flights from justice. In that respect, the script has no murder scenes. It projects Ted as the hero. Only in the last scene do we realize our narrator has been unreliable and that this innocuous character Ted is Ted Bundy.

    For this reason, the “big moment” will never work. Publicity will ensure everyone that buys a ticket knows it’s about Ted Bundy. I would suspect this is what landed the script on the blacklist in the first place: it’s a brilliantly written character story with an ending that can’t work because it’s telegraphed by its very existence.

    I wanted to let people know though that the script I have is very well written and researched and seems like the blueprint of a pretty good movie. It certainly won’t be like any of the other Bundy films. It’s mostly based on Liz’s book and their realationship.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Jack,

      Well, while I don’t mind ZE playing the part, I hope it isn’t exactly how you describe. I think it’s time for a movie that will portray the murders accurately and stay clear of making it a fictionalized account. If they’re going to do it from Liz’s perspective, then they need to show what Bundy was doing almost the entire time he was with her.

      My 2 cents, anyway.

  25. Bob says:

    I just moved to the Philadelphia area and plan on tracking down some of the places that Ted visited, where he lived, where he went to college and other relevant locations.
    I am particularly interested in finding the location of the house where he lived as an infant before he and his mother moved to Washington State. Would a visit to Philadelphia City Hall and some time researching the Deeds under the name Cowell provide the address?
    Does any one else have some suggestions that may help me find this elusive place?
    Thank You, Bob

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hey Bob,

      Yes, if you do some research, you’ll be able to find the address. I mention an address in my book The Bundy Murders about where Bundy returned to (a home that belonged to the Cowell family) when he went back East to attend Temple Univ. However, that does not look old enough to be the house where everyone was living back in 1946, but who knows? . So yes, search it out and let us know what you come up with. 🙂

  26. I see from Kevin Sullivan’s April 2 post that he has no compunction about asserting that anyone with whom he disagrees should be subjected to ridicule. As bad as that is, it is astonishing that he would take such a position when he is simultaneously demonstrating that he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. Sullivan agrees with Tony that I am “touched in the head,” but Tony is talking about Carrie White, not about me.

    Sullivan doesn’t get it. He sees what he wants to see, not what’s really there. His conclusions are tainted by his expectations. This appears to be as true of his researching Bundy as it is of his researching me. It is not a good way to be when one is dealing with a con man, who will always say what one wants to hear.

  27. Jason Nelson says:

    Zac Efron signed on to play Ted Bundy: –


    Production starts this october. Kevin, your phone should start to ring soon.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      If they call, Jason, I will answer. lol!

      1. craig says:

        Same story..different actors. Hope the new movie is at least accurate. One movie had bundy abducting two victims on the same day from a parking garage instead of Lake Sam.
        Just my opinion but I think it would take a movie at least 30 hours long to portray the horror of bundy’s crimes, his apprehensions, escapes and courtroom performances and the best part: his EXECUTION!

  28. Fiz says:

    So they claim, Meaghan. I wonder if they are only saying it to drum up interest in the house. I wouldn’t want to buy it but some people are very strange! ????

  29. Meaghan says:

    Contractors are currently renovating the house where Ted grew up. They think it’s haunted. http://katu.com/news/local/contractors-claim-bizarre-events-at-home-where-killer-ted-bundy-grew-up

    1. Brad says:

      Just wondering – is the one cop in the top pic Mike Fisher (on Bundy’s left)? I’d seen similar pics from Bundy’s first recapture with the same mustached cop, and thought it was him. Just wasn’t sure.

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        Hey Brad,

        There’s a pic of Mike in the first edition of The Only Living Witness. Although both Mike and the man in these”new” pictures (some are not new at all) have a mustache, I don’t think they are the same men. At least, that’s how I see it.

  30. Tony says:

    Apologies if folks have seen this already:


    This blogger claims to have obtained some audiotapes of Bill Hagmaier’s interviews with Bundy and made them available on his blog. I haven’t listened to them yet, so no idea if they’re authentic.

    Be advised, I think the guy who runs this particular blog is a little touched in the head… err, LoL. So you may not wanna delve too deep! In particular, he makes some disturbing comments on some of the victims in his review of one of the movies based on Bundy.


    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Tony…

      Yes, those tapes are legit. He obtained them through the Freedom of Information Act. In it Bundy admits, among other things, to decapitating 12 of his victims.

      As far as the guy and his theories on the case? Yes, they will differ from most who follow the case, so I get your disclaimer lol!

      1. Tony says:

        Were you able to listen to them in their entirety? I listened to the first 16 minutes or so before it cut off… I keep trying to restart it, refresh the page, etc. but it’s no use.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          I believe mine cut off too. But I also read the transcript that he produced from the tape. However, at the time I read it he hadn’t completed transcribing everything. Perhaps he’s finished now, and if so, I’ll go back and read the rest.

  31. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

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  32. Judy T says:

    So, every time I read another Bundy book, I tend to get opionated again. So I want to give my views on the whole porn thing. I do not believe that regular porn played any role in the murders and other acts committed by Bundy. I believe the reason he did the interview with Dobson is because Bundy tended to want to please people in his own way. He ended up saying what Dobson wanted to hear. And since Bundy never wanted to believe or have other people believe that he was actually responsible for his own crimes, at the time porn seemed like just as good an excuse as any to try to say ” I’m not such a bad guy after all, porn made me do it.” I believe his second agenda was to still try to win over some of the victims families, although he said he didn’t want to have the tape air until after his death, maybe he thought that Dobson would go to the governor or to some of the parents to try to intervene on his behalf. One phrase he said in particular, “killing me won’t restore those BEAUTIFUL children to their parents.” YEp, he was REALLY pouring it on. The second part of my opinion is that if any of you have ever seen the documentary “Natural Porn Killer” they show some covers of what could either be called detective magazines or comic books? On the cover there are pictures of girls tied up, screaming, being strangled,etc. If anything had an influence on him, I believe it was these type publications, whatever they be called. However, they cannot be blamed for what he became, rather, they might have fueled it a litttle, because what type of person looks at something like a girl getting strangled/tortured and gets turned on? Something was wrong somewhere before he ever viewed that type of material. Just my opinion…

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      You’re correct, Judy, porn had nothing to do with what Bundy became. Porn has many, many negatives, but it doesn’t cause men to want to cut the heads off women and have sex with them. Bundy always fueled sex with fantasies of violence and sadistic acts. It all became one to him.

    2. craig says:

      Hi Judy…you are absolutely correct…bundy was laying it on thick during the interview trying to do a con job on Dr. Dobson.. He only thought the girls were “beautiful” after he had brutally murdered them. And those tears he was crying…
      they were only for himself….he had no compassion for any other living being….look at what he did to his own family!!
      The hell that he put them though was unbelievable. I think I read in one book where he was quoted that he was “happy with who he was” something like that.

  33. Brad says:

    Hey, everyone:

    There’s this YouTuber named Rob Dyke whose channel I’ve subscribed to who does some interesting video series. One of these is called “Serial Killer Files”, and he recently posted one about Bundy. Outside of a couple of small errors, I thought it was pretty well done. Anyone else here see it? Thoughts?

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hey Brad,

      Can you provide a link? Thanks.

      1. Brad says:

        Oops, my bad. Should have thought of that…

        here’s the link:


        (remove the quotation marks, of course. I included them because without them the video was embedded, and I don’t know if that’s against the rules here.)

  34. Judy T says:

    I would like to say one more thing about the Anne Burr case. Whether Ted did it or not, it annoys me that certain people, such as an author who wrote a book about it, will go out of their way to exaggerate the facts to try to prove that he did it. One author titled their book “Ted and Ann” and captioned underneath the title “the story of Ann Burr and her NEIGHBOR Ted Bundy”, when in reality, they didn’t even live on the same street, but rather a couple miles away. That is hardly a neighbor.
    In relation to this blog and the author Kevin Sullivan, I will say once again, besides his meticulous research, he told the story without prejudice or exaggerations as many authors sometimes do. For example, I have read many times about the time Ted, as a young child, placed a “bunch” of knives around his sleeping aunt, when in reality, it was only three knives. And it is okay for an author to convey an opinion as to whether or not they believe he killed someone or not, it is also okay to state a very obvious fact “he was a heartless and cold blooded killer. Yet I have seen some authors go out of their way to add personal insults about the criminal they are writing about. It is okay to have those opinions about certain said criminals, but when one goes out of their way to keep adding insults and judgement, I think it takes away from the facts if the story isn’t told with a certain degrees of neutrality. Just my opinion, and I think Mr. Sullivan stands out as an author who told the story in a great way.

    1. Jana says:

      Not to be an ass, but technically three knives is a “bunch of knives”. And unless you have the specific quote from the aunt, I don’t think it’s exaggerating to use that phrase.

      1. Judy T says:

        I will have to try to find which book I read it in for sure, but I think it was Rebecca Morris’s book Ted and Ann where she interviewed the aunt and she said it was three steak knives.

    2. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hi Judy!

      First, thanks for the good words about me (I’ll take ‘me lol!). Also, I was never sure just how many knives Ted used. But it wouldn’t surprise me if it was only 3. He was a kid and no doubt somewhat driven to do it, and the number of knives didn’t matter.

      Thanks again!


      1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

        That should have said “I’ll take ’em…

        1. Judy T says:

          You’re right it didn’t matter how many, I read in one book that he had gotten every knife in the kitchen and placed them in bed with her. And you’re welcome for the compliments. I’m not saying that other books written about Bundy weren’t good as well, but your was certainly better than most. Some offer different insights, such as Polly Nelson’s about the legal aspects…Liz Kendall’s about how he acted trying to have a normal relationship…and then there are some that basically repeat the same info with a few variations here and there. But yours stands out in several ways…that’s all for now lol

  35. Judy T says:

    Just wanted to throw my opinion about something long debated about Bundy out there..In my personal opinion, I do not think that he killed Anne Marie Burr. If he had, I believe during that day and time, I believe there would have been a lot more murders and or disappeared girls from back then. He probably wouldn’t have been able to stop once he committed his first. I’m certainly not saying it isn’t a possibility that he killed her, just my opinion of why I don’t think he did.

    1. Meaghan says:

      I run the Charley Project, a missing persons database that has Ann Marie Burr listed (and 9,500 others), and have a blog to go with it. One of my regular blog features is something called “Let’s Talk About It” where I invite people to discuss a case that’s perplexing or unusual in some way and, unlike most cases, it isn’t immediately obvious what must have happened. I did a “Let’s Talk About It” for the Ann Marie Burr case, the discussion question being basically “Did Ted do it or didn’t he?” You can see the blog entry and comments discussion here: https://charleyross.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/lets-talk-about-it-ann-marie-burr/

      1. Judy T says:

        Thanks for the link, will check it out.

    2. Paul says:

      Sorry, have to disagree. There’s just too many circumstantial coincidences. I believe that Ann-Marie’s father knows who he saw that morning, and that Ted was fantasising and planning these things from way earlier than 14. I also believe what Art Norman says Ted told him. Murdering her does not mean Ted would then continue to kill. Perhaps the massive national attention the case attracted scared Ted into behaving himself, until 1966, when those airline stewardesses were attacked. Sorry, but it’s too much of an ask for me to accept that Ted DIDN’T do these. There wasn’t a single motive or clue pointing to anyone else – no ransom, no body, no confession, no rumour. Yet Ted lived three miles away. The complete lack of answers is a Bundy hallmark.

      1. Judy T says:

        He very well could have killed her. In the book “Ted and Ann” by RebeccaMorris someone else confessed to her murder as well but nothing ever really came of it. Glad to read your opinion!

        1. Paul says:

          A woman showed up years later saying she WAS Anne, but wasn’t.

          1. Steve says:

            To the 1966 attack. One of the women said the attacker had thinning blonde hair. That wasn’t Ted.

          2. Paul says:

            Making an ID like that after having your head bashed in doesn’t carry much weight. One of those survivors also told Anne Rule that “she knew it was Ted that did that to us… But I can’t tell you how I know.” Can’t have been too many active Ted’s in the same area at the same time with the same MO.

  36. Judy T says:

    To anyone who ever wanted to read Liz Kendall’s book and didn’t want to spend over a hundred dollars on it here is a link I found where you can read it for free on FB. I would say that it would normally violate copyright laws but since the book has been out of print for so many years, and the publishing company long out of business, I don’t think it matters, especially since the link has been up for months without being taken down…so here it is
    Hope this helps anyone who wants to read it.

  37. Brad says:

    Hey, Kevin:

    Finished your last book. Great job as always. Got a question about a Bundy tale from another book, Michaud and Aynesworth’s “The Only Living Witness”.

    In the last part, dealing with his impending execution, they tell that during the last days, Bundy had wanted – and was denied by the prison superintendent – a last contact visit with one of his attorneys, Diana Weiner. He even went so far as to harangue then-governor Martinez’s rep at the prison, Andrea Hillyer, insisting that she order the superintendent to grant the request. She said no. Weiner instead stuck around just to help him (from behind a glass partition) write his will.

    Why, do you think, Bundy was so insistent that he have this last private visit with Wiener? I’m curious only because over the years I’ve heard some crazy theories. What is your opinion?

    1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

      Hey Brad,

      Well, I have heard some strange things about their relationship from some very close to the situation. I can’t say whether they’re true or not, but if you’ll send an email to the headsman at ET, asking him to pass your email along to me, I’ll get back with you about it.

      It is also interesting that when Russ Reneau conducted his interview of Ted, that he, Randy Everitt, Bill Hagmaier and weiner were all separated from Bundy by the glass partition

      1. Brad says:

        Wow. Will do. Thanks.

  38. Juan says:

    Dear Kevin,

    I would really like to read your second and third Bundy books but I do not have a device to read them on. Could I please buy them directly from you?

    Thank you,

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Juan,

      Thanks so much for contacting me, and I appreciate your interest in my books!

      Unfortunately, I have no copies to sell you. You can, however, purchase them from Amazon, and this would be your best way to obtain them.

      Thanks again, Juan, for the contact.


      1. Juan says:

        Thank you, Kevin. Can I purchase paper copies of your second and third books off of Amazon? I already have a paper copy of your first book. I really hope to get your second and third books.

        Thank you,

        1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

          Yes, Juan, Amazon does have the paper copies. 🙂

          And feel free to join the conversation here with any questions or comments you have after reading the books.

          Take care,


  39. Paul says:

    Hi Kevin

    Good book. Out of interest, did you decide against including the testimony from the Florida record when it came to the brother and sister’s account of encountering Bundy in Jacksonville? Or perhaps the petrol attendant who chased Bundy out of his store when the credit card came back stolen? Or are these people you didn’t try to track down?

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Paul,

      I covered the testimony of the brother and sister (they were the children of the chief detective in the city), in The Bundy Murders, and I didn’t think about adding portions of the trial transcript concerning them as I didn’t believe it would add anything new to the info already covered in my first book. I also mention in the preface of The Bundy Secrets that I was going to stay away from repeating info.

      I cover in The Bundy Murders about the gun totting manager and waitress who chased Bundy out of the restaurant after his stolen was rejected. Is that the one you’re referring to?

      1. Paul says:

        Oh ok. Yes, those are the ones I was referring to. Since I already knew a lot of the info from those transcripts in your latest book (although not word for word – but other books have covered them too), I thought those other testimonies might offer a little new information. If you saw it fit not to include them, obviously they yield nothing new.
        Although I’m really interested in the woman who saw Bundy’s van careen off the highway after he abducted Leach – there doesn’t seem to be enough out there on that, and I can ever pin down the direct source.
        Also. I find it really fitting how Bundy started screwing up in Florida. Everything he did was a roadblock – he encountered possible arrests multiple times, yet he could not make himself leave the State. And for the first time ever, he almost got brought down by a male in Jacksonville. It’s as if his status as a fugitive completely stripped him of his ‘mojo’; or whatever had worked so well for him in the past to make intelligent women leave with him completely vanished.

        1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

          Hey paul,

          Yeah, the woman who saw Bundy swerve on the road (and also saw him looking down at something in the van as his jaw was slack, was a doctor’s wife in the area. I can’t remember her name but it’s in The Bundy Murders. I found that bit of info from a newspaper account, and later found it in the record. But that’s about all the info she had.

          Yes, Bundy was undergoing a severe meltdown in Florida, and he was not the same kind of killer as he was in WA, Utah, and even Colorado.

  40. Jason Nelson says:

    Hi All.

    I am a couple of pages into The Bundy Secrets and I noticed how it may have been possible how Bundy took an item from a victim and gave it to a family member. In Kathy McChesney’s report on her interviews with Liz Kendall in August and September, Liz mentions how during the previous month, Bundy helped his brother Glen load a bike onto an aeroplane to take back to Washington but once he was confronted about this by Liz, he stated ‘what bike’? The previous month could have been July which coincides with the abduction and murders of Janice Ott and Denise Naslund. Was Janice’s bike ever found? Could the bike had been Janice’s who Bundy said could load into the trunk of his car before she was abducted? Given that Bundy did not want Liz to know about the bike, it is highly likely it was stolen.

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Hi Jason,

      I seem to recall (maybe in Keppel’s book) that they searched the arboretum in Seattle, but of course, Ott’s bike was never located. I’m certain they searched other spots too, but fairly long after the fact and to no avail. perhaps some kid or adult picked it up and the rest is history.

      1. Jason Nelson says:

        Thanks for the reply.

        Just out of interest, how did you verify the account given by Louise Cannon? Her account of Bundy was very revealing (as was the opinion of her co-worker on Bundy as well).

        1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

          Hi Jason,

          Yes, her testimony is very revealing. I received her name through another valid Bundy contact. And she’s also had contact with Utah detectives from those years. I was just extremely fortunate to be the first writer to interview her. Folks who know her know the story. But now with the publiction of The Bundy Secrets, many will read about this most interesting encounter.

          1. Kevin M Sullivan says:

            That should read “…now with the publication…” not “public aid” lol! On my IPhone

          2. Kevin M Sullivan says:

            Disregard the “public aid” correction as it looks like my original correction to my main comment took the first time. 🙂

  41. Sandy says:

    That’s so cool to know! Thanks.

  42. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Hi all!

    If you follow this blog on a regular basis, you no doubt are aware about Maz UK, and how he informed us about Black Christmas and the Chris Hagen (or Chris Hayden) connection, and then he provided a link to the movie and the time the scene would appear. Well, seeing (and hearing) this answered the question in my mind how Bundy came up with that name. In my view (and the views of many others) Bundy didn’t just pull that name out of thin air. And so, because that info came to me just before I completed The Bundy Secrets, I added the info to the book. And then today, I discovered something…

    My Facebook friend, Mike Thompson, reminded me about our conversation on Facebook’s Messenger about this very subject from a little while ago! Well, I drew a complete blank, but after going back and checking, there it was. Mike had it nailed as well when he had seen the movie, and he too believed that’s where Bundy got the name. Now, because it’s interesting, I’m going to show you a bit of that exchange now:

    “Just read your latest Bundy book (Mike means my second book, The Trail of Ted Bundy). It got my attention when you started about Black Christmas. I emailed Ann Rule in 1997 when I first got on the internet about the connection of Black Christmas with Ted Bundy. I told her the plot and asked her what she thought about Ted getting his alias from the movie. Chris Hayden is the guy’s name in the movie but I always felt Ted misheard it and used Chris Hagen. Ann told me she had never heard that before and was unaware of the movie plot of killing coeds in a sorority house but she said that, in her words, “would be so like Ted to do that” ”

    So there you have it. I would have loved to have added this to the book as well, as it illustrates how things come to folks, sometimes in a flash. And the addition of the Ann Rule comment (she felt like I do: that Ted would have purposely used that name because of the movie), adds to the overall story as well. But at least I can mention Mike’s contribution here at Executed Today! Thanks Mike!

    1. Mike Thompson says:

      Thanks Kevin…I really appreciate it

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        You’re welcome, Mike. 🙂

  43. Paul says:

    Looking forward to the new book

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      Thanks, Paul! The Kindle edition was released last night at midnight, and the trade paper and audio book will soon follow.

      1. Brad says:

        Just started reading my kindle copy.

        1. Sandy says:

          I just started my Kindle copy, too!

  44. mlreamey says:

    There are new things in the archives check it

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      The archives contain a tremendous amount of information. It’s almost a bottomless pit of rich information on this most infamous case. And that’s why I finished off my trilogy of Ted Bundy reproducing many interesting parts of the record; with commentary from me, of course, lol!

  45. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    The story behind The Bundy Secrets…


    1. Brad says:

      Already preordered. Looking forward to it.

      Quick stupid question: any chance you might eventually put any of the files not in the book up online?

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        No, Brad, but for diehard folks there’s always a trip to the archives. After three books, I’m finished putting in any additional work having to do with Theodore, lol! I’m just too busy with other true crime projects. 🙂

    2. Bridget says:

      I just pre ordered it Kevin. Looking forward to reading it.

      1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

        Thanks, Bridget. 🙂

  46. Bob says:

    Will your new book also be published ” the old fashioned way” for us “aging” fans?

    1. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

      lol! You’re funny, Bob! 🙂

      Yes, it will be published in trade paper, eBook, and as an audio book.

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