1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer

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It was 20 years today that Ted Bundy, the signature sexual psychopath in a golden age of serial killers,* rode the lightning in Florida’s Starke Prison.

Executed Today is pleased to mark the occasion with a conversation with Louisville crime writer Kevin M. Sullivan, author of a forthcoming2009 book on Ted Bundy … and a man who knows how the world looks from inside Bundy’s ski mask.

Ted Bundy is obviously one of the most iconic, written-about serial killers in history. Why a book about Ted Bundy? What’s the untold story that you set out to uncover?

The desire, or drive, if you will, to write an article about Ted Bundy and then create a 120,000 plus word book about the murders, was born out of my crossing paths with his infamous murder kit. Had Jerry Thompson [a key detective on the Bundy case -ed.] left Bundy’s stuff in Utah that May of 2005, well, it would have been an enjoyable meeting with the former detective, but I’m certain it would have all ended quietly there. Indeed, I doubt if I’d even considered writing an article for Snitch [a now-defunct crime magazine -ed.], much less a book about the killings. But it was having all that stuff in my hands, and in my home, and then being given one of the Glad bags from Ted’s VW that made it very real (or surreal) to me, and from this, a hunger to find out more about the crimes led me forward.


Ted Bundy’s gear, right where you want it — image courtesy of Kevin M. Sullivan. (Check the 1975 police photo for confirmation.)

Believe me, in a thousand years, I never would have expected such a thing to ever come my way. I can’t think of anything more odd or surreal.

ET: You mentioned that you think you’ve been able to answer some longstanding questions about Bundy’s career. Can you give us some hints? What don’t people know about Ted Bundy that they ought to know?

I must admit, when I first decided to write a book about the crimes, I wasn’t sure what I’d find, so the first thing I had to do was read every book ever written about Bundy, which took the better portion of three or four months.

From this I took a trip to Utah to again meet with Thompson and check out the sites pertaining to Bundy and the murders in that state. Next came the acquisition of case files from the various states and the tracking down of those detectives who participated in the hunt for the elusive killer.

Now, no one could have been more surprised than me to begin discovering what I was discovering about some of these murders. But as I kept hunting down the right people and the right documents, I was able to confirm these “finds” at every turn. And while I cannot reveal everything here, It’s all in the book in great detail. Indeed, you could say that my book is not a biography in the truest sense, but rather an in-depth look at Bundy and the murders from a vantage point that is quite unique. I wish I could delve further into these things now , but I must wait until it’s published.

The Bundy story has a magnetic villain and a host of victims … was there a hero? Was there a lesson?

The real heroes in this story are the detectives who worked day and night for years to bring Ted Bundy to justice. And if there’s a lesson to be learned from all of this, it is this: It doesn’t matter how handsome or articulate a person might be, or how nicely they smile at you, for behind it all, there could reside the most diabolical person you’ll ever meet! We need to remember this.

But how can you act on that lesson without living in a continual state of terror? Bundy strikes me as so far outside our normal experience, even the normal experience of criminality, that I’m inclined to wonder how much can be generalized from him.

Actually, (and I might say, thank God here!) people as “successful” as Ted Bundy don’t come our way very often. I mean, the guy was a rising star in the Republican Party in Washington, had influential friends, a law student, and certainly appeared to be going places in life. Some were even quite envious of his ascension in life. However, it was all a well-placed mask that he wore to cover his true feelings and intentions. On the outside he was perfect, but on the inside a monster. He just didn’t fit the mold we’re used to when we think of a terrible killer, does he?

Now, there are those among us — sociopaths — who can kill or do all manner of terrible things in life and maintain the nicest smile upon their faces, but again, just beneath the surface ticks the heart of a monster, or predator, or what ever you might want to call them. Having said that, I’m not a suspicious person by nature, and so I personally judge people by their outward appearance until shown otherwise. Still, it’s difficult (if not impossible) to see the “real” individual behind the person they present to us on a daily basis.

You worked with case detectives in researching your book. How did the Ted Bundy case affect the way law enforcement has subsequently investigated serial killers? If they had it to do over again, what’s the thing you think they’d have done differently?

They all agree that today, DNA would play a part of the investigation that wasn’t available then. However, in the early portion of the murders, Bundy made few if any mistakes, as he had done his homework so as to avoid detection. As such, even this wouldn’t be a panacea when it came to a very mobile killer like Bundy who understood the very real limitations sometimes surrounding homicide investigations.

I can’t help but ask about these detectives as human beings, too. Clearly they’re in a position to deal with the heart of darkness in the human soul day in and day out and still lead normal lives … is a Ted Bundy the kind of killer that haunts or scars investigators years later, or is this something most can set aside as all in a day’s work?

They are, first of all, very nice people. And you can’t be around them (either in person, or through numerous phone calls or emails) for very long before you understand how dedicated they are (or were) in their careers as police officers. They are honorable people, with a clear sense of duty, and without such people, we, as a society, would be in dire circumstances indeed.

Even before Bundy came along, these men were veteran investigators who had seen many bad things in life, so they carried a toughness which allowed them to deal with the situations they came up against in a professional manner. That said, I remember Jerry Thompson telling me how he looked at Ted one day and thought how much he reminded him of a monster, or a vampire of sorts. And my book contains a number of exchanges between the two men (including a chilling telephone call) which demonstrate why he felt this way

How about for you, as a writer — was there a frightening, creepy, traumatic moment in your research that really shook you? Was there an emotional toll for you?

Absolutely. But the degree of “shock”, if you will, depends (at least for me) on what I know as I first delve into each murder. In the Bundy cases I had a general knowledge of how Bundy killed, so there wasn’t a great deal that caught me by surprise, as it were. Even so, as a writer, you tend to get to know the victims very well through the case files, their family members or friends, and so on. Hence, I’ll continue to carry with me many of the details of their lives and deaths for the remainder of my life. And so, lasting changes are a part of what we do.

However, I did a story a few years back about a 16 year old girl who was horribly murdered here in Kentucky, and this case did cause me to wake up in the night in a cold sweat. Perhaps it was because I have a daughter that was, at the time, only a few years younger than this girl, and that some of what transpired did catch me off guard, so to speak, as I began uncovering just what had happened to this very nice kid.

Watch for Kevin M. Sullivan’s forthcoming The Bundy Murders: A Comprehensive History from McFarland in summer or fall of 2009.

* In fact, the term “serial killer” was coined in the 1970’s by FBI profiler Robert Ressler, as an improvement on the sometimes inaccurate category of “stranger killer”.

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  1. Emma–

    You’re correct. The Bundy cabin had nothing to do with lake Sam. But it may have played a part in other abductions and murders; specifically the Brenda Ball killing. And while we may never know for sure, I think it’s probable Bundy did in fact use it at least once.

    I believe the site you’re referring to is a work of fiction. There was a discussion up thread concerning s fictional piece, and I believe this is the one, but I’m not 100% certain of this.

  2. I was taking a break from my thesis for the eve. So I read through a lot of the posts. I agree that Bundy had a cabin or a hideout somewhere near Lake Sam. The Bundy’s cottage(louise and johnny’s) was on a lake that is roughly 1.5 hours from lake sam….that would be a 3 hour round trip and he brought 2 girls…so 6 hours driving in total…I think that rules the bundy’s cottage out.

    I found an interesting article on the net about Caryn Campbell’s abduction. It was a memoir written by Dr. Gadowski’s daughter. I am not sure if it has been posted here before but I don’t think so…

    http://www.mikitabrottman.com/Caryn.html

  3. How about we just say “locate everything” and drop the “the”, LOL!

  4. Best of luck on the thesis, Emma. I remembered the last name of the lady, couldn’t remember her first, but I knew that that was enough info for you to Google her and locate the everything. Bart, however, made it even easier by giving you her first name, and that was good, lol!

    I hope you enjoy the book.

    Kevin

  5. Thanks so much. I always wondered who that woman was! I’ve been reading through the posts on this board and have a lot to add and plan on doing so as soon as I have the time. Right now I have a Masters thesis to finish 🙁 But my reward for defending the thesis is the free time to read Kevin’s book!!

    Emma

  7. Hi Emma,

    I believe her name is Bartholomew, the sister of a guy Bundy knew. I believe this is the case, and that the photo was taken in Utah.

    Take care,

    Kevin

  8. hi all-

    I am new to this board. I plan on purchasing your book as it sounds very interesting. i’ve been fasctinated with ted bundy since undergrad when i took a forensic psych course. do you know who this woman is? i’ve seen this picture in rule’s book and a few other places. it is at the end of this short clip….sorry i could not find a pic….just a youtube frame. who is the woman (blonde) washing dishes with bundy?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbL7j3TPj4M

    thanks!!

  9. Thank you, Vidor. It’s been so long since I heard the tapes or read Keppel’s book, I couldn’t remember, lol. Yet I knew Bundy had done the deed, if you will.

  10. “The Riverman”, p. 22-23: “This time he brought more tools for when he had finished having sex with the corpse of Georgann Hawkins.”

    And later in the book, during the confession session, Keppel says “What you told me about Georgann Hawkins isn’t going to be known.” So I think it’s pretty clear that Keppel exercised some discretion and left out some of the details about what Bundy did to her.

  11. Well, Bundy alluded to it by saying he spent the night with her, not leaving until almost dawn, as I remember it. Given what we know about him, I do not believe he simply “held her” and that’s all. No, Bundy would have done things of a sexual nature. he loved viewing women in a fresh state of death, and as such, this would have been a “turn on” for him. He also admitted to the Idaho investigator that he had intercourse with Lynette Culver AFTER SHE WAS DEAD. Bundy loved necrophilia. He just didn’t want to talk about it very often.

    I don’t know if bundy carried water or anything else to clean up after he was finished. I don’t believe he ever spoke about this, but I could be mistaken.

  13. Did Bundy actually confess to necrophila with Hawkins during his interview with Keppel? There’s a lot of talk about him admitting to it as he confessed to the Hawkins murder, but if you read the interview in Keppel’s book, Bundy doesn’t ever come out and admit to it. Yet all these articles state that “Bundy admitted returning to Hawkins body for purposes of necrophilia”. Did I miss something in the interview? Did Bundy actually admit to the necrophila with Hawkins?
    I’m not doubting that he did it. I’m sure he did and it was probably a very important element to his whole murder fantasy, but, what I’d like to know, is if he ever straight out confessed to it (not in the 3rd person).

    Also Kevin, was Bundy known to keep water bottles with him or anything like that. It sems that after severing heads and mutilating body parts, he might need to wash his hands, face, or wherever else blood may have spattered during his chop sessions out in the woods.

  14. Gee, Bart, I don’t believe that was me, but I could be wrong. Off hand, I can’t think of anyone who escaped prison and lived for years in a particular community, or “on the run”, as it were. Sorry.

  15. Kevin,
    I might be wrong but I think it was you who mentioned in on of your radio interviews about one prison escapee who lied low and managed to survive at large for years- contrary to Bundy who went mad just a week after he “settled down” in Florida after his second escape.
    I know – it is off-topic – but I am very curious about this person.

  16. Bundy most certainly raped some of his victims prior to killing them. I am sure he enjoyed the fear and disgust they felt as he did this, as it was just another way of tormenting them. Even so, he very much enjoyed viewing women in a fresh state of death, and of course, he loved having sex with them after they were dead.

    I think it was sometimes difficult for him to admit his desire for necrophilia, but he did fess up to it anyway. During his confessions to Michaud and Aynesworth (in the third person only) when he referred to rape, he was most likely being honest, at least for the most part. But as he began the real confessions toward the end of his life, I do believe he was shooting straight with the investigators about the various ways he enjoyed sex with women; but again, the more bizarre the confession, the harder it was for him to talk about it.

  17. Kevin,
    Is there actually any evidence to prove that Bundy raped his victims prior to the murders (other than the fact that there were penetrated survivors of the Chi Omega spree)?
    Rape is horrible but in Bundy’s eye’s, he may have thought sex with corpses was a lot worse.
    Bundy knew that detectives knew there were sexual elements to the crimes, so maybe he fessed up to “rape” only because in his twisted mind it wasn’t as “repulsive” to people as necrophela would be. He didn’t think most people were capable of understanding. Rape is a lot more common and maybe he felt people would understand that better while also serving his need to manipulate the even deeper truth. What are your thoughts?

  18. Better to photograph them while they’re still standing. Once these structures are gone, that’s it, and there is no undoing it. You can learn a lot from pictures. A perfect example is when Lorraine shared her recently taken photos of the university at Corvallis. When she pointed out the cafeteria, where she and Kathy stopped to speak to each other, and where Bundy most likely parked his car that night, it was easy to imagine how things transpired that evening. In other words, it made the information we have from the official record easier to understand.

  19. Hi Vidor –

    Again, thanks for great pics. It’s spectacular country, and also gives me a much better idea of the terrain.

    I don’t think it’s ghoulish to want to see what these places looked like, although I wouldn’t set out on a project just to photograph them either. But for all of us, I think we get to see how these normal places were used as horror spots, almost as if they were theatre sets arranged for Bundy’s use. And that’s what chills us.

  20. Scott, imagine you have climbed to the top of Aspen Mountain. According to Wikipedia the city is at 7,890 and the mountain is 11,212 feet, so you have climbed some 3,000 feet over what I can tell you is a steep grade. You get to the top, you look southwesterly, and you see this:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/29977603@N02/4750008011/in/set-72157624383907062/

    Yeah, that would have been quite a feat.

    Agreed again on the apparently common practice of leaving your keys in the car. Guess it was just something people did in the 1970s. Ted never failed to find himself an auto.

  21. That is very interesting Vidor, and I appreciate reading your insights on Bundy. I’ve never been to Aspen, and therefore it’s hard for me to visualize what he did, how he did it, and the elements he was facing. If I recall correctly, he also was wandering around on a bum ankle/leg from the jump. I believe I recall Bundy spent a night or two in a cabin, had some brief interaction with some hunters, and was able to observe his pursuers pursuing him. This is just another extraordinary episode in the Bundy story. Just like I’m always struck by who was the guy that he hitched a ride with following the 2nd escape, who sat next to him on the plane from Chicago, etc, and what were those conversations? Obviously the world has changed markedly since the mid-late 1970’s, but it seemed that Bundy was always able to find a car to steal (and he wasn’t hotwiring them). It’s as if he’d go from car to car and then, voila, there’s one with the keys in it! It must have been fairly common practice for people to just leave their keys in the car then (as they say people would leave their doors unlocked, I suppose). Just strange, given the world we live in today.

  22. Scott, Ted was busy when he first escaped. Namely, he was wandering around Aspen Mountain. I agree with you that had he gotten away, he would have started killing again just as he did in Florida.

    Incidentally, that was another thing I learned in Aspen–just what a tall order Ted’s escape plan was. You can look on a map and see Aspen here and Crested Butte over there and think “hey, that’s not too far”, but when you ride the gondola to the top of Aspen Mountain and see nothing more than other mountain peaks, you get a whole new perspective. That would have been a hell of a feat, to cross that range on foot, with no supplies besides what he might steal from a cabin or two. The plan he blundered into, laying low on the mountain and eventually coming back down to steal a car, was actually much better and would have worked if he hadn’t been so exhausted.

    Agreed that Ann Rule listing Debbie Smith is silly. She was a poor researcher as well as a poor prose stylist.

  23. Yes, those photos are out there, and on the Facebook page. If I were ever to be around UW, I’d try and see if I could find specifically where she spotted Ted and where Ted had parked his Beetle–IIRC it was not directly behind the sorority house but across the street and around a corner or some such.

    But I’m not a Ted ghoul going around finding all his crime scenes. I was only at the Wildwood b/c my sister invited us to visit her in Denver and my wife specifically requested a side trip to Aspen. Maybe we’ll go back again one day to climb down Aspen Mountain–I really wanted to try that and I would have if we hadn’t also been toting around our two-year-old daughter. Lovely town, BTW, Aspen.

    Despite my failure to find the room, it was still interesting to see how small the Wildwood is. I don’t think there was a walkway there that had more than six or seven rooms on a side. Very confined area for Ted to find a victim. Makes you wonder how long he lurked around those walkways in that brutal cold.

  24. I have a hard time believing that Bundy killed Debbie Smith. In TSBM, Rule includes her in the roster of names that “Ted Bundy confessed to killing.” Specifically, she writes: “Debbie Smith, 17. (Disappeared February, 1976. Her body was found at the Salt Lake International Airport on April 1, 1976.)” I’m much less an expert than many others here, but my feeling is that Bundy’s killing was halted with his arrest on August 16, 1975, and didn’t resume until January 1978. After all, the police were immediately onto him after the 8/75 arrest, he was charged in the DaRonch case on 10/2/75, released on bail 11/20/75, and under constant surveillance from that date up until the trial date of 2/23/76. It seems inconceivable to me that in the 3 weeks prior to his trial, he was able to shake law enforcement and essentially murder another woman right under their collective noses. Indeed, when she disappeared, were they not knocking on Bundy’s door immediately? The one thing about Bundy is that he was SOMEWHAT truthful in his confessions regarding adult victims (again, somewhat). The Kathy Devine case is a good example. He refused to take credit for that and it turned out that he didn’t kill her. —– It’s actually rather amazing that Bundy didn’t kill during his first escape. Sure, he perhaps wasn’t as unglued as he was in the winter of 1978, and he was only out a week or so, but one has to think that if the opportunity had arisen, he’d have killed during that window of time. His compulsion to kill was still prime and greatly pent-up, and my bet is that like an active alcoholic looking for a drink, he had murder on his mind (as it always was).

  26. Vidor–

    I know. Missed opportunities will aggravate us, and that is a bummer.

    If you do get back to the Wildwood, remember: Turn right out of the elevator (2nd floor), walk about 75 feet, just barely turn to the right at the alcove, and her door is right there (on the right). In that alcove will also be the steps leading down to the parking lot.

    Having this info (if you ever get back) will guide you directly to the room.

  27. Well, I am bummed out at my failure to find the Campbell room and walkway. I’d be interested to find out which IS the right room–not that it matters, as I probably won’t be in the Aspen area ever again, but I’m curious. Still kicking myself over my failure to simply take a picture of every walkway on the second floor. I really thought it was that inner left walkway–pretty sure that’s what the hardback of TOLW said, but obviously Fisher knows what he’s talking about and M&A simply got that wrong. Damn damn damn. My fault. And the Wildwood’s fault, those sneaky buggers, for renumbering the rooms.

    Now all I have to do is figure out an excuse to visit the UW campus so I can try and find the parking lot where he snatched Georgann Hawkins! (Not really. Kidding!)

    From three pages back:

    ****”Do you have any thoughts on Debbie Smith who was found on salt lake city airport in 1976.”****

    AFAIK this dates solely to Ann Rule having listed Debbie Smith as a possible Bundy victim in one of her TSBM postscripts. I always thought this reflected pretty poorly on Rule, to suggest that Bundy killed a girl while he was being closely watched by police.

  28. Also saw the name Robin Ann Graham as a possible victim of Bundy. She was last seen at a gas station talking to a man and he did like his car filled with gas even if it meant filling up with a tiny amount. Don’t know anything about her case but if it was him there is a link with gas stations and him “hunting”

  29. hi thanks all
    poor Rita Curran does fit profile and MO of Bundy as he had broke into houses and done this before.
    Also, does anyone know if anyone Bundy admitted to had children? (maybe Denise Oliverson)
    The only reason I ask is Bundy always denied killing Nancy Baird. Could be because he did not kill her. On the other hand Bundy was raised in the first part of his life by his mum.Bundy had a problem admitting to killing children, to him it was more acceptable killing a 17 year old than a 12 year old. maybe not acceptable but he did not feel the outcry was not as bad. Nancy Baird had a child (don’t know if she was a single mum) maybe he felt it would hurt his stepson and mum to admit that he left a child motherless. I say this because in Ann Rules book a woman came forward saying Bundy took her and only released her after she said she had kids. Of course this may be BS and may not even be Bundy. I find it hard to believe that another serial killer was operating in the same area as brazen as Bundy. If she knew her killer surely he would have waited until she was alone or at her house rather than the petrol station where she worked. I doubt she would have willingly gone off with someone as it was a fairly new job and I am sure she needed the cash having a child to raise.
    Maybe the fact she had a dependant was quite significant in Bundys warped mind or like I say perhaps he did not take her.
    What do others think?

  30. Hi Bart–

    Yes, 1969 may indeed be the date of Bundy’s return to Vermont. At least we can say “maybe”. But we may never know if he committed a murder while there. It’s the same thing with the Ann Marie Burr abduction. Perhaps yes, and perhaps no. I doubt it, but maybe something will surface in the future that will help us obtain some answers to these cases.

  31. According to Bundy books and FBI Bundy report – Bundy visited Vermont probably in first quarter of 1968 – during his cross-country voyage.
    He also might have visited Vermont while staying in Philadelphia next year, attending Temple University – it was first half of 1969.

    Ann Rule says in “TSBM” that in summer od 1971 (Rita Curran’s death) Bundy was generally located in Washington, dating Liz Kendall – but he used to disappear for a while – from time to time.

    But she doesn’t rule out a possibility that Bundy embarked on a secret trip to Vermont once again – in 1971.

    Anyway – he could have killed someone else – in 1968 or 1969 (a hitchiker?).

  32. Hi Paul–

    Ron Holmes, the criminology professor here in Louisville, knew Bundy quite well, interviewed him at least twice, and exchanged many letters with the killer. Holmes told me in 2007, that Bundy said he killed a girl when he returned to Vermont to get a copy of his birth certificate. Bundy would later deny this towards the end of his life, so again, another mystery, and we may never know the truth. Also, when I asked Holmes what year that might have been, he said maybe 1969, but he couldn’t be sure. Of course, I didn’t feel the need to ask him to dig into his records, and find me exactly what Bundy had said. It just wasn’t necessary, in my opinion.

    Take care,

    Kevin

  33. Hi all
    Will keep to strictly TB from now on.
    In the A and E documentry it said that he went back to where he was born and found his birth certificate does anyone know if this is true?
    I only ask because of Rita Curran murdered in 1971 and there was talk that he did visit at some time.
    Kevin do you personally think she was one of his first victims or just a possibilty.

  34. Hi Barry–

    Despite what Mr. Aloi has stated, it’s clear from the Pensacola transcripts, that Bundy was not “off the chain”; at least not in the sense of being out of touch with reality. He was very tired, worn out, and emotionally drained, but he was in his right mind (reality).

    Perhaps Mr. Aloi is alluding to something else here, I just don’t know. But Bundy was in touch with reality, at least in the legal sense.

  36. Hi Kevin

    well here is the video where that “off the chain” quote was said. it was said by a man called Joseph Aloi which was bundys defence investigator and not detective.

    Anyway if u skip to 7:30 in video thats where he says it. This is a great documentary and Bill Hagmier appears a lot throughout it. Very Interesting Stuff.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqD18Lz1-jc

  37. Hi Barry–

    Yes, I do cover Bundy’s downward spiral through the years. Now, as to him “being off the chain”, I personally don’t recall that being said, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t said by one of the detectives. However, Bundy was never out of “reality”. He was exceedingly tired, and I quote from all the transcripts taken during that time, but he was not out of touch with reality.

  38. Hi Kevin

    As Ted Bundy clearly premediated and planned his first murders up until his arrest its no argument that had a clear mind of what he was doing. But do u think durin the chi omega rampage it is possible to presume he was in some sort of insanity stage by this time as showed in brutality of the murders. As i know u mention that in ur book u cover his mental progression through the years, which i cant wait to read.

    And a detective once mentioned that when they arrested bundy in pensacola i believe they said he was “off the chain” and it took them a couple of days to reel him back into reality.

  39. Vidor–

    Two things: First (and lest you take Mike’s joke a bit wrong), the reference to paying for a tour is something that I was joking with him about over the phone, and in a general sense, not specific to any person. So his joke to me made perfect sense. However, without that little background, it just doesn’t look right.

    Also, even though you may not have the exact picture of the room, stairway, etc, you might consider posting a picture of the parking lot, as it has a “look” to it. One can imagine how easily Bundy could have taken control of a person in that lot. And even if that’s not the one he used in the abduction, Bundy was there, and prior to snatching Caryn, made the decision to either use it or not.

  40. Vidor–

    Just received this from Mike:

    ” He got the Stew Pot right, the rest is a swing and a miss!!! Maybe he should pay me a fee for a tour. LOL….Mike”

    Sorry he couldn’t be more specific.

    Take care

  41. Fiz…No apologies needed! I found the info you and Paul posted great. And I just happened to find Topelius’s “memo” funny! However, for the new folks who visit, we ought to keep our discussions to (for the most part) Bundy and the case in general, so as not to confuse anyone.

    See ya!

  43. Vidor–

    Mike Fisher just e-mailed me and requested I send the links again to him (he lost my message when he was doing something on his PC). I have done so, so he’ll probably start taking a look at your pics immediately. When he responds, I’ll get the info you need posted soon after.

  44. Hi Maarten–

    Someone asked me that question before, and no, I don’t believe she is a victim of Bundy. You’re correct as to Bundy being watched by the police at that time, and if my memory serves me correctly, the exact time of her disappearance as to the day, etc, rules Bundy out altogether.

    It’s odd to think there could be another killer of women in the same geographic area as Bundy, and during the same period. But it’s true.

  45. Hello kevin

    Do you have any thoughts on Debbie Smith who was found on salt lake city airport in 1976.
    If you searching online on Ted Bundy the name Debbie Smith sometimes comes around the corner.
    You think she is a victim of Bundy?
    Would be very strange because in 1976 he was under police surveilance..

    Greetz Maarten

  48. Hi Fiz
    Dinah and Vicki were killed im 1991 and the polish student in 2006 (can’t remeber her name Kluck I think). He must have killed between these times surely. The police believe he dumped bodies along the M1 which would link him to Barbara Mayo and Jackie Ansel. It is going to be hard to link him to anyone else really and as he said “prove it” when questioned about other deaths but I guess time will tell. Personally I am not convinced he was bible John but they have found lots of womens jewellery which could be trophies I guess if they were traced to missing or murdered women then there is the link. It is only just starting so who knows what they will discover or maybe he will confess to more or perhaps he did kill only 3 but unlikely.

  49. Hi, Paul. Yes, i fancy Black for Genette and possibly April. Black never told the police anything either, and you are right, Tobin’s favourite words, like Black’s , are “No comment”. If the police don’t find bones or bodies in situ, they are not going to find anything else to charge him with.

  50. hi fiz
    I have to say I always thought that Robert Black was responsible for the Tate girl, I recall almost like Bundy he spoke about her in the third person about what may have happened to her and I believe Robert Black also abducted April Fabb. However, Peter Tobin has little intention of giving the police anything to go on so I doubt they could pin anymore on him unless they are found in the properties they are currently looknig at.

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