1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer

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It was 20 years today that Ted Bundy, the signature sexual psychopath in a golden age of serial killers,* rode the lightning in Florida’s Starke Prison.

Executed Today is pleased to mark the occasion with a conversation with Louisville crime writer Kevin M. Sullivan, author of a forthcoming2009 book on Ted Bundy … and a man who knows how the world looks from inside Bundy’s ski mask.

Ted Bundy is obviously one of the most iconic, written-about serial killers in history. Why a book about Ted Bundy? What’s the untold story that you set out to uncover?

The desire, or drive, if you will, to write an article about Ted Bundy and then create a 120,000 plus word book about the murders, was born out of my crossing paths with his infamous murder kit. Had Jerry Thompson [a key detective on the Bundy case -ed.] left Bundy’s stuff in Utah that May of 2005, well, it would have been an enjoyable meeting with the former detective, but I’m certain it would have all ended quietly there. Indeed, I doubt if I’d even considered writing an article for Snitch [a now-defunct crime magazine -ed.], much less a book about the killings. But it was having all that stuff in my hands, and in my home, and then being given one of the Glad bags from Ted’s VW that made it very real (or surreal) to me, and from this, a hunger to find out more about the crimes led me forward.


Ted Bundy’s gear, right where you want it — image courtesy of Kevin M. Sullivan. (Check the 1975 police photo for confirmation.)

Believe me, in a thousand years, I never would have expected such a thing to ever come my way. I can’t think of anything more odd or surreal.

ET: You mentioned that you think you’ve been able to answer some longstanding questions about Bundy’s career. Can you give us some hints? What don’t people know about Ted Bundy that they ought to know?

I must admit, when I first decided to write a book about the crimes, I wasn’t sure what I’d find, so the first thing I had to do was read every book ever written about Bundy, which took the better portion of three or four months.

From this I took a trip to Utah to again meet with Thompson and check out the sites pertaining to Bundy and the murders in that state. Next came the acquisition of case files from the various states and the tracking down of those detectives who participated in the hunt for the elusive killer.

Now, no one could have been more surprised than me to begin discovering what I was discovering about some of these murders. But as I kept hunting down the right people and the right documents, I was able to confirm these “finds” at every turn. And while I cannot reveal everything here, It’s all in the book in great detail. Indeed, you could say that my book is not a biography in the truest sense, but rather an in-depth look at Bundy and the murders from a vantage point that is quite unique. I wish I could delve further into these things now , but I must wait until it’s published.

The Bundy story has a magnetic villain and a host of victims … was there a hero? Was there a lesson?

The real heroes in this story are the detectives who worked day and night for years to bring Ted Bundy to justice. And if there’s a lesson to be learned from all of this, it is this: It doesn’t matter how handsome or articulate a person might be, or how nicely they smile at you, for behind it all, there could reside the most diabolical person you’ll ever meet! We need to remember this.

But how can you act on that lesson without living in a continual state of terror? Bundy strikes me as so far outside our normal experience, even the normal experience of criminality, that I’m inclined to wonder how much can be generalized from him.

Actually, (and I might say, thank God here!) people as “successful” as Ted Bundy don’t come our way very often. I mean, the guy was a rising star in the Republican Party in Washington, had influential friends, a law student, and certainly appeared to be going places in life. Some were even quite envious of his ascension in life. However, it was all a well-placed mask that he wore to cover his true feelings and intentions. On the outside he was perfect, but on the inside a monster. He just didn’t fit the mold we’re used to when we think of a terrible killer, does he?

Now, there are those among us — sociopaths — who can kill or do all manner of terrible things in life and maintain the nicest smile upon their faces, but again, just beneath the surface ticks the heart of a monster, or predator, or what ever you might want to call them. Having said that, I’m not a suspicious person by nature, and so I personally judge people by their outward appearance until shown otherwise. Still, it’s difficult (if not impossible) to see the “real” individual behind the person they present to us on a daily basis.

You worked with case detectives in researching your book. How did the Ted Bundy case affect the way law enforcement has subsequently investigated serial killers? If they had it to do over again, what’s the thing you think they’d have done differently?

They all agree that today, DNA would play a part of the investigation that wasn’t available then. However, in the early portion of the murders, Bundy made few if any mistakes, as he had done his homework so as to avoid detection. As such, even this wouldn’t be a panacea when it came to a very mobile killer like Bundy who understood the very real limitations sometimes surrounding homicide investigations.

I can’t help but ask about these detectives as human beings, too. Clearly they’re in a position to deal with the heart of darkness in the human soul day in and day out and still lead normal lives … is a Ted Bundy the kind of killer that haunts or scars investigators years later, or is this something most can set aside as all in a day’s work?

They are, first of all, very nice people. And you can’t be around them (either in person, or through numerous phone calls or emails) for very long before you understand how dedicated they are (or were) in their careers as police officers. They are honorable people, with a clear sense of duty, and without such people, we, as a society, would be in dire circumstances indeed.

Even before Bundy came along, these men were veteran investigators who had seen many bad things in life, so they carried a toughness which allowed them to deal with the situations they came up against in a professional manner. That said, I remember Jerry Thompson telling me how he looked at Ted one day and thought how much he reminded him of a monster, or a vampire of sorts. And my book contains a number of exchanges between the two men (including a chilling telephone call) which demonstrate why he felt this way

How about for you, as a writer — was there a frightening, creepy, traumatic moment in your research that really shook you? Was there an emotional toll for you?

Absolutely. But the degree of “shock”, if you will, depends (at least for me) on what I know as I first delve into each murder. In the Bundy cases I had a general knowledge of how Bundy killed, so there wasn’t a great deal that caught me by surprise, as it were. Even so, as a writer, you tend to get to know the victims very well through the case files, their family members or friends, and so on. Hence, I’ll continue to carry with me many of the details of their lives and deaths for the remainder of my life. And so, lasting changes are a part of what we do.

However, I did a story a few years back about a 16 year old girl who was horribly murdered here in Kentucky, and this case did cause me to wake up in the night in a cold sweat. Perhaps it was because I have a daughter that was, at the time, only a few years younger than this girl, and that some of what transpired did catch me off guard, so to speak, as I began uncovering just what had happened to this very nice kid.

Watch for Kevin M. Sullivan’s forthcoming The Bundy Murders: A Comprehensive History from McFarland in summer or fall of 2009.

* In fact, the term “serial killer” was coined in the 1970’s by FBI profiler Robert Ressler, as an improvement on the sometimes inaccurate category of “stranger killer”.

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  1. hi all
    I have been interested in Ted for many years and am always searching new things about him. He seemed to have confessed to killing a few hitch hikers over the years but have necer been identified. This is odd, these girls were someones daughters they must have been reported missing eventually. My thoughts are that TB did abduct Vicki Hollar and Rita Jolly if he was in that general vicinity what do others think?. If it could ever be proved that TB visited his mothers old house at the time Rita Curran was murdered then he may well have broken in and killed her. Ted had many MOs during his murderous years. Breaking into girls homes, feigning injury, pretending to be someone in authority. He took girls during the day and at night. He battered some to death, strangled some and in the case of Lynette Culver electocuted and drowned her. I don’t think too much significance can be put with dark hair parted imn the middle because Janice Ott, Lisa Levy, Nancy Baird and Susan Raincourt had fair hair. I think as long as they were easy targets, fairly young and slim then Ted would have tried to abduct them. Even if 35 is accurate for Ted that leaves many women still unaccounted for. It also seemed that he knew briefly of some victims like sharing a class with Lynda Ann healy or playing tennis once with Susan Raincourt.
    What do people think about his connection with Rita Curran, Laurie Lynn Partridge and Jaenette Kamahale.
    A lot of his whereabout has been followed using receipts but if he had cash then he could have gone far from where he lived to kill. Odd why Ted travelled 200 miles to snatch Kathleen Parks but used the same dumpsite as his other victims. Surely you would travel that far so the dissappearance is not linked to the others. Sorry for waffling on just wonder why more victims have been linked to Ted. Would be so different now with DNA I guess.

  2. First, there is nothing wrong, or odd, in following the trail of this case. To see the actual locations where these crimes occurred gives one a perspective that is hard to obtain otherwise. It does not honor Bundy to do so. It’s simply having an interest in the case, and it’s very natural to want to see where something has happened.

    Having said that, if one has an unhealthy interest in Bundy (or any interest in life) than one needs to make changes in their life. And only the person with the interest will know whether this is true in their lives or not.

  3. Anything that has blood or bodies in it. I was also being serious, not “mean”. I do understand about the victims, though, Ann Rule, Aynes and Michaud and Kevin and Lorraine have made them people, not statistics, like the description of Donna Manson changing her clothes several times before she was satisfied with how she looked before she went for the evening – that’s such a typically girly thing to do that all women can identify with it, also Susan Ransome’s mother knowing automatically that something was wrong when she found her dental floss still in her cabinet, because Susan never went anywhere without it. It’s the tiny details like that that make the victims live, despite Ted’s rampage of death.

  4. Fiz,

    I fell misunderstood again but I am taking your advice as serious and sincere – not mean.

    I don’t sympathise with Bundy. Neither I am fascinated with him.

    This trip doesn’t have to look like a walking in Bundy’s footsteps.
    It is meant to be quite opposite, actually.

    But you might be partially right.

    Walking in footsteps of ppl who were ultimately killed by him, regardless of what footsteps will I walk – would be somehow unintended “tribute” to Bundy.
    Looks like for some strange reasons Bundy victims are more “valuable” to me – than thousands of anonymous killers victims.

    Anyway, I promised Kevin not to elaborate on my specific approach towards “victims” here – and I am gonna keep my word.

    PS:
    What kind of photos on the net – are you talking about (that you have no desire to to see)? Creepy crime-scenes or corpses? Photos of Bundy? I am not interested in them.

  5. It seems to me that you have a problem with deciding who you do sympathise with- Bundy, or those sweet girls and young women he killed. People will consider you a creep if you go trolling round America after the girls – to follow them is to follow Bundy’s footsteps. Why don’t you stay at home and if, as you say do, really care about those young women and in some cases, children, and pray for them? There are plenty of photos on the net (many of which I have no desire to see), so why do you need to go to America and seek out the places of the victims – you will only be walking in Bundy’s footsteps!

  6. As for Agent Hagmaier and his book on TB – it is only my speculation – but I personally think that his book will never see proverbial day-light.

    Why is that?

    Hagmaier is too decent person for this.

    He was the only one to get so deep into this double-face madmen dark soul – the one to gaine his trust, even “friendship”.

    He keeps his many secrets – but he still want to be fair to TD – then he will probably never gonna unravel it book – regardless of revolution it would bring about.

    Being fair to someone like TB might be controversial – but it is a measure of man – for me.

    Like quote from Japanese samurai code “Always keep your promises even if you gave them to the dog”.

    Hats of to Agent Hagmaier. You are great man.

    World of crimes must live without TD creepest secrets. And it will live.

  7. Hi, Topelius

    I hope so, too – but I must plan this trip somehow – like I should develop list of places – I should go to.

    You know – I am not specially interested in re-visting crime-scenes or abduction scenes or other places linked with fear, violence and pain of the innocent ppl – although I think I should see them anyway.

    And I am not absolutely interested in visiting TB normal life places – like house, high schools, job places, restaurant – as I despise this deranged murderer.

    Plus I don’t want to bother local people about this almost 40 year old story. They might don’t respond well.

    So I must rethink – what I want?

    So you can see – it is not easy to undertake such a trip – getting something valuable out of it, besides just “being there”.

    But maybe just “being there” is enough?

    Still I have a lot of time untill fall
    See,ya
    Bart

  8. No I did not, had to postpone my year because of family issues that I am not going to share with you..

    Take care.

    P.S. Your plans do sound interesting. Hopefully you can make the trip 🙂

  9. Come on, Finnish guy!
    Bundyologists are 100 % clean 🙂

    You’d better tell me – did you already your exchange student hour – out there in Texas? (as I read in post 1143 here).

    Did you have your “Bundy tour” as you planned?

    Or maybe you not?

    To tell you the truth – I am also planning to go the States (this autumn hopefully) – ruining my finances by the way – but whatever – I dont’care

    I was thinking about West Coast – beginning form Washington, Oregon, California.

    But what is on my mind is not exactly – “Bundy tour” but sort off more “tribute to victim tour”. Anyway – in some parts – that would be the same places or cities like Tacoma or Seattle or Corvallis.

    I am in the process of encouraging my long time friend into joining me – but she doesn’t seem to be very impressed with this idea.

    I am affraid – I will remain alone on this quest – and I might be taken as a little weirdo – doing it by myself.

    So tell me did you do it or didn’t?

    regards
    Bart

  11. For me Kevin’s book is specially outstanding because it just denies the saying: “Once you’ve read one ‘bundy book’ – you read then all”

    It is really different, it sheds new light – and it is convincing in telling that bundy topic is never “case closed” or “cold case”.

    Speaking about nightmare after reading – I happily didn’t have any nightmares after reading Kevin’s book.

    I have a bundy-related nightmare years ago – as I “discovered” accidentally this murderer and
    I started to read Internet articles and some excerpts from M&A “The Only Living Witness”.

    This one dream was really terrifying – I still remember this but I don’t want to talk about it much.

    But, I’ll tell you something more optimistic!

    I have just had a nap during the day – what happens to me very rarely – but before it – I (stranger to the USA, not to mention the early 70s or the late 60s USA) was wondering why Lorraine and Kathy, both Californians, as OSU friends, were regarding themselves “slightly more worldly” than native Oregonians. 🙂

    I looked at the map – found Lafayette, Contra Costa County (Kathy), found Novato, Marine County (Lorraine).

    They seemed ok to me, but small communities after all (with all due respect).

    Then I fell asleep – and suddenly I found a answer.
    The answer was SAN FRANCISCO.

    I saw crowds of high-school teenagers going by cars, by kind of train – to colorful San Francisco – to hang around, to do shopping, to sun-bathing – to be “more worldy”.

    This train – it made me wonder.

    Then when I am awake – out of curiosity – I checked out this train.

    And it really exists – and when it was established – in late 50s – one the first country to be covered by it and linked to San Francisco – was Contra Costa county and Kathy’s Lafayette has its own station.

    Strangely enough this train system is called BART – Bay Area Rapid Transit.
    BART! God!

    Kathy might have used BART frequently back in her high-school years – to reach San Francisco.
    Probably, the same thing with Lorraine.
    Right, Lorraine?

    Regards
    BART

  13. Monica–

    Well, that was not my intention, but I did say I was going to follow his trail of terror very closely; perhaps a bit too closely.

  14. Just wondering if this book “The Bundy Murder’s” has affected anyone else on here in a similar way? Ever since reading it, i have been having “nightmares” on a regular basis, lol. Of the terrifying kind where you are, during the nightmare itself, praying that it is not real, and that you will soon wake up. And thankfully you do.

    Kevin, i think your book has traumatised me, lol.

  15. Hi, Lorraine. Yes I’ve left out the commas etc and used major case for the first two words. I’m using Google chrome as a browser now.

  16. Hi, Lorraine

    I not posting for you – because I am quite busy and – to tell you the truth – I am slightly tired with td topics (with all respect to memories of K.)

    But I naturally remember about you and I will get back to you soon.

    Now for the time being I wish you and your folks happy and quiet weekend.

    And big thanks for all your uploads.

    I’ll spend my weekend at work lol – that’s the price for true crimes stories time-consuming hobby.
    Plus I’ll attent my President and First Lady funeral at my homecity. Sad.
    Mr President Obama is expected here, too

    regards
    Bart

  17. Vidor,

    Yes, I’ll be more than happy to post those not published by McFarland, but it may be awhile before I can do so. You see, when I sent the pics to the publisher, I also sent the disks, just in case they’d need a sharper image than provided by the picture. Well, I still had everything on my PC, so I could “burn” whatever I needed; until, of course, my beloved PC gave up the ghost, LOL! Of course, I can take the hard drive to this place in town and retrieve everything, and I will. But McFarland should be shipping my package any time now, and after I receive it, I’ll post everything I have that hasn’t been published.

    Indeed, there is a really good photo of the rear portion (showing, of course, the read door) of Lake City Junior High, where Kim Leach disappeared. I can’t believe I forgot to include this one for publication, but I did.

  18. Check my book, or another Bundy book for exact dates, employment history, etc. But in 1974, he was well known in Washington State politics, and (if my memory serves me correctly, LOL!) he was working for the Department of Emergency Services during the Lake Sam murders.

    In any event, Bundy very often slept only 3, 4, or 5 hours a night. He was very nocturnal, and as he was developing himself in murder (and prior to it) he roamed throughout the night, looking for women to spy upon, then, after awhile, attack, and ultimately, carrying it through to murder. .

  19. Kevin, I was referring to the photos you referenced above that were left out of your book. You could make them publicly available by posting them to Wikimedia Commons or to Flickr under a Creative Commons license. I really have no idea what the deal would be with the photos that McFarland actually included wiht your book; I was talking about the photos that are otherwise unavailable. I’m guessing you have some interesting ones stored away.

    Lorraine, I had no intention of posting your photos elsewhere or suggesting that you do so–your desire for privacy is quite obvious and I have no desire to interfere with that. That said, your photos really are invaluable for understanding what happened toKathy Parks and everyone at Executed Today owes you a thank you.

  20. Hi Kevin

    Where was ted bundy employed during his first wave of murders?. And how long did he stay at that job for?

    u would think if he was unemployed it was more than likey he would have more time to think and act on his fantasies.

  21. When getting back to “my poll” – I realized – thanks to Kevin’s book – Mike Fisher was really a a silent anti-bundy superhero.

    An unstoppable one, relentless, meticulous – a real nightmare for even the most elusive perpetrator.

    Real star.

    When I read those chapters about his almost sleepless journeys Colorado – Salt Lake City – and back – to research td’s VG bug – I have a picture of walking Justice – a Nemesis.

    Thanks to Mike Fisher – tb was transferred to Colorado to stand Caryn Campbell trial. If not, he would probably served his one to fifteen years in Utah’s state prison – to re-emerged probably in mid-80s – if not earlier.

    Mike Fisher is a detective worth a book, a movie.

    BTW, was there any strong lady in law-enforcement very focused on catching “Ted”?

    I may be wrong – but back in early 70s – it wasn’t so easy for female to get senior rank in so “masculine” profession – as criminal police.
    They weren’t many ladies-detectives.

    And you know what?
    I have another poll for ted’s best moves.

    I perceive them specifically – for me ted’s best moves was his personal decisions that pushed him closer and closer to electric chair.

    1) As td’ apartment was searched by detectives in August or September 1975 – he strongly denied any connections to Colorado – although he had a ski guide of Colorado at his place with a mark on Wildwood Inn (for where Caryn Campbell was abducted).

    2) But the best one td’s move – according to me – was when he rejected guilty plea in 1979 what would have saved him from electric chair.

    That was great!

    He offered so much he didn’t ever deserve but he decided to saved money of tax-payers for housing, feeding and taking care of his health for the next 40 years or even more.

    I wonder why he did it? Was he scared that Floridians would kill him after all – during serving his life sentence?
    Or he was selfish / mad enough to think that playing his (actually poor) part of public attorney – he was really capable of cleansing himself from Florida murder accusations?

  22. Also, Fiz…. I doubt this is the problem, but…. you arent including the quotation marks in the password, are you? The password is “ExecutedToday”, minus the quotation marks and comma, of course 😉

  23. I would appreciate it if no one posted my photos anywhere else, there is a reason I provided a private password; I consider the photos to be mine, and it is not my preference that they be posted for the masses.

    For Fiz-have you tried cutting and pasting the password from my post, making sure there are no trailing or leading spaces? My daughter, who is very well versed in computers, asked me to ask you what browser you are using. She has recommendations for various ones.

    Also, to JRJ, thank you for your kind words. I certainly do not consider myself to be any kind of “detective”. Involving Kathy’s abduction, I am simply using my personal knowledge of Kathy, together with what we know of Bundy, and my fimiliarity with the geographic area to come up with my theory. The individual personalities of the girls, as well as the geography Bundy was dealing with, I think, are key to understanding his possible tactics. I believe he was “murderously intuitive” enough to use both to his advantage.

    Lorraine

  24. Vidor–

    Do you mean the photos I took of some of the crime scenes contained in my book, or 565 First Ave, etc? Or are you speaking of the photos provided by Lorraine?

  25. I think ted bundys mind should be added to the list of the wonders of the world. Theres aleady nearly 2000 posts on here about it lol i guess thats enough to get on the list LOL

  26. Thanks, Kevin and Monica, I have done it that way all along and it hates me because it won’t let me in 🙁

  27. They all were heroic in their own way, but I have a man crush on Fisher. He`s one bad motherf****r. Like a rock star.

    Hats off to the detectives.

  28. Kevin, you might consider posting some of those photos to Wikimedia Commons under a public domain license or a creative commons license. I have posted as many Bundy phtos as I can find to the Commons but they are few.

  29. Can I am start kind of poll?

    For:

    A – the best investigator after tb while he was at large.

    and

    B – the best investigastor to deal with tb while he was in custody.

    My candidates are:

    A –
    Bob Keepel – for his perseverance and heroic work

    B
    Mike Fisher – for his perseverance during Colorado case

    Sheriff Ken Katsaris – for his real fully justified hatred towards tb and his numerous efforts to make his prison life as hard as it was possible

    It is only my personal opinion – it reflexes my personal views and is based on my partial (still poor) knowledge on those events.

    I might be wrong – and I fully respect work of dozens of other investigators, detectives, policemen and legal staff who worked very hard over several years.

    Please contribute 🙂
    And good night from my time zone

  30. Fiz, Kevin beat me to it!

    When i myself posted that photobucket link (further up thread), i forgot to give the password, duh! If you fancy a giggle, check these out!

    http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae327/catty_013/Ted%20Bundy%20-%20Funny%20Images/

    Password: TedBundy

    Kevin, oh, it is a shame that photo of you and Jerry Thompson was not included in the book, that would have been an interesting one. I did read your In Cold Blog article, and will keep an eye out for your picture.

  31. Fiz– The password is case sensitive. So, write it with a capital E and a capital T, and make sure you write it as one word: ExecutedToday.

  33. Monica–

    I sent the publisher about 34 or 35 pictures for the book. One of those pictures was of me standing at the back of Jerry Thompson’s truck (with Jerry) and holding the bag he gave me from Bundy’s murder kit. Why they didn’t run it, I couldn’t tell you. However, I’m a contributing writer at In Cold Blog now, and I need to submit a photo to them soon. So keep watching, LOL!

  34. Lorraine, I really want to see your photos, but clicking on the link and adding the password does not work for me, Monica, help! Then again, maybe we aren’t meant to know everything!

  35. Looked through the album–wow, Lorraine, pretty impressive job to show the layout of the campus and the events of that night through pictures and the diagram. Very nicely done. The presumption is that Ted was parked in the parking area labeled “C” and shown in photo #7? I agree that such seems pretty likely given what Kathy has told us and what Bundy “confessed” to M&A.

  36. I concur that Lorraine is safe enough in posting a photo of herself from 35 years ago.

    Lorraine, re: #1933 and Virginia re: #1946–obviously I’ll believe people who know the area if they say that Bundy probably did talk Kathy into accompanying him to the VW willingly. However, Virginia noted and I agree that Ted was probably BSing about riding with her alive and conscious to Washington. I agree that he probably clubbed her in the parking lot that Lorraine described.

  37. Kevin, do you still have my personal e-mail address? If so, can you send me a quick note? I somehow misplaced your e-mail address, and I wanted to send you something off-line.
    Thanks,
    Ted

  38. Lol, that last sentence didn’t make much sense. I meant , it would have been nice to put a face to the words.

  39. Some of these comments make me laugh (i mean in a good way, lol).

    The photo that Lorraine put up of herself is an old one, so i should think that is perfectly safe to do so. A more recent one, however, may not be such a good idea (as this is the internet after all, and we know there are creeps about), but i am sure Lorraine knows this, and she comes across as a sensible woman. The photo was nice to see, as we can now put a face to the words. And this brings me to ask……..

    Kevin, i noticed there is not a photo of yourself on the back cover of your book (many books that i have come across, do have a picture of the author on the back). Was this by choice, or was it simply something that didn’t cross your mind? I, for one, would have liked a picture to be included, to put face behind the words.

  40. Lorraine thanks very much for the upload!

    I’m struck by your intricate insights into how Bundy probably abducted your roommate Kathy; I think they’ve been SPOT ON; you’ve also indicated that you’ve done a crash course on the case; I’m wondering if you were PARTICULARLY struck by anything in your readings or have any other insights into any other aspects of the case.

    JRJ

  41. Lorraine

    It was a big misunderstanding – it is all because of my poor English.

    I wanted to suggest that YOU (and only YOU, not me) should choose people worthy to have your photo and that you should send it through Headsman e-mail – in order to keep your e-mail private.
    Anyway, it was still controlling kind of advice 🙂

    How dare I decide to whom you should or you shouldn’t send your own photo?

    Come on.. I might be nuts but not that nuts.

    BTW – thanks for nice comments on me.

    It might be again taken as an “odd statement” – but it is you and your story that made some emotional revolution in me – in relation to “bundylogy” – that I’ve been try to practice for years.

    Take care and TAKE SOME SLEEP (controlling, huh?)
    It must be 3 am – out there – on the West Coast
    Bart

  42. Bart, I am not angry with you, and I do recognise that your advice was coming from caring about my safety. Sometimes, and perhaps its the fact that English is not your 1st language, you come across as telling people what to do, like when you said you wanted the Headsman to take control and send my picture to only the people YOU have decided are trustworthy. You apparently believe that I have taken a risk, and your idea came out of concern for me. I appreciate that. Lets just continue on… I am not afraid that posting my picture has put me in danger. I would not ever have done so otherwise. I am sure that JRJ was curious to see if I fit the “victim profile” after the speculation that I may have been the one being followed by Bundy. I can understand his curiousity. AND, Bart, no one here hates you! You have made some excellent observations in some of your posts, and I have certainly noticed that most of your comments show that you are a caring person. Calm down and enjoy this board!

    Lorraine

  43. Well I don’t know what to say now.

    It was meant kind of friendly advice not a “controlling order”.
    I wrote it – before – I saw this photo uploaded.

    Nobody who knows me personally – regards me as a “controlling type of person”.

    I don’t even have an ability to control myself – not to mention controlling any other person moves.

    Looks – I should shoot off both my hands for a while now and wait patiently for 3rd chance, this time.

  44. Bart! I chose to do this myself! My name is not attached to it, and anyone coming upon it “out of the blue” would have no idea who it is!” Anyone from here could do absolutely NOTHING with that photo. Sometimes, Bart, I think you worry where you shouldn’t and don’t worry where you should.

    My daughter, who assisted me with this, works in a very high position dealing with internet security. Had she thought there was a problem, the picture wouldn’t be posted. I am sorry to say, you ARE sounding controlling again, right after I had decided to give you another chance. Jeeeeeeeeeesh!

    Lorraine

  45. Well – I turned to be too late now.

    Anyway – L doesnt’ look a vulnerable person.

    I can only imagine – had Bundy try to “pick up” L at the library one more time this evening – the heaviest book would have surely land on his sick-brained head.

    See you later.

  46. Well,

    First, I am not dictating or telling anyone what to do or what not to do on this site.

    But If I were victim survivor – moreover linked to such a creepy pseudo-celebrity as Bundy – I would be very cautious – and think twice – before uploading my personal photo to the Internet – even not exactly the current one photo.

    Even here, on this thread – we are not probably all 100 % trustworthy people (for example me according to many of you:) – as this thread and Internet is accessible from every corner of the world.

    And you know – dirty and creepy people make horrible video-clips or photo-collages – in the style of “Tribute to bundy”, idolizing the madman and abusing the victims by mixing photos of bundy, photos of victims and photos of crime scenes.

    I have seen such things on you tube and other sites.

    Harming and humiliating the dead is unspeakable crime – harming the living survivors – is even worse.

    Look even what 2002 Bundy movie did to the victims. This movies just treated them like Bundy fantasy dolls.
    The only excuse for this – is that suits the way Bundy was thinking. Then portrait of Bundy by tv vet M. Reailly Burke was a good performance – he really went deep to catch a resemblance of sociopath.

    But, back to OSU photo – I would rather – in L place – asked Headsman to e-mailed this photo to some folks from here whom I can possibly trust here.

    I don’t necessarily mean me – cuz for me it is suffice to know L is very attractive teenager, with dark hair parted in the middle.

    I know that such words from such a “bully” (I hope ex-bully) may sound strange – but that’s my opinion now.
    I just care for L psychical well-being and internal comfort – besides from the fact that she is a very strong person.

    But please don’t yell at me – and don’t call me dictator of the site.
    I have had enough of “complements” here – subtle and harsh ones.

    Bart

    PS: I wasn’t posting – as I was sleeping (you know – different time zone). Today I am offline – I have meeting after meeting in my agency.

  48. Well…. lol!!! Now there’s a question I hadn’t anticipated! I actually have my OSU Student Body Card from when I returned to OSU at age 22, and there isnt much change. I have no idea how to upload it though, I don’t have a bed scanner, just the type u feed thru like a fax machine. If anyone can tell me how to scan it, I don’t mind posting it.

    Lorraine

  49. Lorraine, I’m sure many of us would like to see a photo of you from your days at OSU. Do you have any available?
    JRJ

  50. Lorraine — Sometimes this place dips down to almost nothing, only to revive in a flurry of activity, LOL! You just have to keep coming back.

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