1989: Ted Bundy, psycho killer

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It was 20 years today that Ted Bundy, the signature sexual psychopath in a golden age of serial killers,* rode the lightning in Florida’s Starke Prison.

Executed Today is pleased to mark the occasion with a conversation with Louisville crime writer Kevin M. Sullivan, author of a forthcoming2009 book on Ted Bundy … and a man who knows how the world looks from inside Bundy’s ski mask.

Ted Bundy is obviously one of the most iconic, written-about serial killers in history. Why a book about Ted Bundy? What’s the untold story that you set out to uncover?

The desire, or drive, if you will, to write an article about Ted Bundy and then create a 120,000 plus word book about the murders, was born out of my crossing paths with his infamous murder kit. Had Jerry Thompson [a key detective on the Bundy case -ed.] left Bundy’s stuff in Utah that May of 2005, well, it would have been an enjoyable meeting with the former detective, but I’m certain it would have all ended quietly there. Indeed, I doubt if I’d even considered writing an article for Snitch [a now-defunct crime magazine -ed.], much less a book about the killings. But it was having all that stuff in my hands, and in my home, and then being given one of the Glad bags from Ted’s VW that made it very real (or surreal) to me, and from this, a hunger to find out more about the crimes led me forward.


Ted Bundy’s gear, right where you want it — image courtesy of Kevin M. Sullivan. (Check the 1975 police photo for confirmation.)

Believe me, in a thousand years, I never would have expected such a thing to ever come my way. I can’t think of anything more odd or surreal.

ET: You mentioned that you think you’ve been able to answer some longstanding questions about Bundy’s career. Can you give us some hints? What don’t people know about Ted Bundy that they ought to know?

I must admit, when I first decided to write a book about the crimes, I wasn’t sure what I’d find, so the first thing I had to do was read every book ever written about Bundy, which took the better portion of three or four months.

From this I took a trip to Utah to again meet with Thompson and check out the sites pertaining to Bundy and the murders in that state. Next came the acquisition of case files from the various states and the tracking down of those detectives who participated in the hunt for the elusive killer.

Now, no one could have been more surprised than me to begin discovering what I was discovering about some of these murders. But as I kept hunting down the right people and the right documents, I was able to confirm these “finds” at every turn. And while I cannot reveal everything here, It’s all in the book in great detail. Indeed, you could say that my book is not a biography in the truest sense, but rather an in-depth look at Bundy and the murders from a vantage point that is quite unique. I wish I could delve further into these things now , but I must wait until it’s published.

The Bundy story has a magnetic villain and a host of victims … was there a hero? Was there a lesson?

The real heroes in this story are the detectives who worked day and night for years to bring Ted Bundy to justice. And if there’s a lesson to be learned from all of this, it is this: It doesn’t matter how handsome or articulate a person might be, or how nicely they smile at you, for behind it all, there could reside the most diabolical person you’ll ever meet! We need to remember this.

But how can you act on that lesson without living in a continual state of terror? Bundy strikes me as so far outside our normal experience, even the normal experience of criminality, that I’m inclined to wonder how much can be generalized from him.

Actually, (and I might say, thank God here!) people as “successful” as Ted Bundy don’t come our way very often. I mean, the guy was a rising star in the Republican Party in Washington, had influential friends, a law student, and certainly appeared to be going places in life. Some were even quite envious of his ascension in life. However, it was all a well-placed mask that he wore to cover his true feelings and intentions. On the outside he was perfect, but on the inside a monster. He just didn’t fit the mold we’re used to when we think of a terrible killer, does he?

Now, there are those among us — sociopaths — who can kill or do all manner of terrible things in life and maintain the nicest smile upon their faces, but again, just beneath the surface ticks the heart of a monster, or predator, or what ever you might want to call them. Having said that, I’m not a suspicious person by nature, and so I personally judge people by their outward appearance until shown otherwise. Still, it’s difficult (if not impossible) to see the “real” individual behind the person they present to us on a daily basis.

You worked with case detectives in researching your book. How did the Ted Bundy case affect the way law enforcement has subsequently investigated serial killers? If they had it to do over again, what’s the thing you think they’d have done differently?

They all agree that today, DNA would play a part of the investigation that wasn’t available then. However, in the early portion of the murders, Bundy made few if any mistakes, as he had done his homework so as to avoid detection. As such, even this wouldn’t be a panacea when it came to a very mobile killer like Bundy who understood the very real limitations sometimes surrounding homicide investigations.

I can’t help but ask about these detectives as human beings, too. Clearly they’re in a position to deal with the heart of darkness in the human soul day in and day out and still lead normal lives … is a Ted Bundy the kind of killer that haunts or scars investigators years later, or is this something most can set aside as all in a day’s work?

They are, first of all, very nice people. And you can’t be around them (either in person, or through numerous phone calls or emails) for very long before you understand how dedicated they are (or were) in their careers as police officers. They are honorable people, with a clear sense of duty, and without such people, we, as a society, would be in dire circumstances indeed.

Even before Bundy came along, these men were veteran investigators who had seen many bad things in life, so they carried a toughness which allowed them to deal with the situations they came up against in a professional manner. That said, I remember Jerry Thompson telling me how he looked at Ted one day and thought how much he reminded him of a monster, or a vampire of sorts. And my book contains a number of exchanges between the two men (including a chilling telephone call) which demonstrate why he felt this way

How about for you, as a writer — was there a frightening, creepy, traumatic moment in your research that really shook you? Was there an emotional toll for you?

Absolutely. But the degree of “shock”, if you will, depends (at least for me) on what I know as I first delve into each murder. In the Bundy cases I had a general knowledge of how Bundy killed, so there wasn’t a great deal that caught me by surprise, as it were. Even so, as a writer, you tend to get to know the victims very well through the case files, their family members or friends, and so on. Hence, I’ll continue to carry with me many of the details of their lives and deaths for the remainder of my life. And so, lasting changes are a part of what we do.

However, I did a story a few years back about a 16 year old girl who was horribly murdered here in Kentucky, and this case did cause me to wake up in the night in a cold sweat. Perhaps it was because I have a daughter that was, at the time, only a few years younger than this girl, and that some of what transpired did catch me off guard, so to speak, as I began uncovering just what had happened to this very nice kid.

Watch for Kevin M. Sullivan’s forthcoming The Bundy Murders: A Comprehensive History from McFarland in summer or fall of 2009.

* In fact, the term “serial killer” was coined in the 1970’s by FBI profiler Robert Ressler, as an improvement on the sometimes inaccurate category of “stranger killer”.

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  1. Hi Everett,

    To tell you the truth, I don’t remember the comment about slasher flicks, but I’m sure I heard it at some point during my research. Also, if you’ve read my book, you will remember that I don’t spend a lot of time on Bundy’s death row years. As far as him seeing Friday the 13th, and any part it played in his life, I would think it would have to do with the fear factor; that is, the victims in the movies were terrorized and killed, and of course, this also is how many of his victims left this world. Keep in mind too, that Bundy’s confession that he was “affected” by it doesn’t imply that he was repulsed by the reaction, because he wasn’t. On the contrary, he loved it beyond words.

    As far as watching horror movies in prison, well, even Bundy had constitutional rights, and it may have to do with what you can and cannot keep from prisoners when deciding what they can have in their cell. After all, if it’s okay to own a TV, then it’s probably okay to own a (at the time) VHS player. And from here, it’s only a small jump to Friday the 13th, or any other horror flick.

    Take care

  2. Kevin,

    I’m curious about bundy’s reference to slasher flicks in his last interview. I remember reading somewhere that he was deeply “affected” by “Friday the 13th” when is first came out (1980). Curious why he would bring this up in his final interview. Thoughts ?

    How was he able to watch horror movies like this in prison (basically pornography for him).

    Thanks

  3. Sure, Barry…

    http://www.outlawcrime.com

    Now, you’ll have to scroll down to almost the bottom of the page, as the first two boxes (play list) wont allow you to access the show (the first won’t scroll down, the second may not load).

    However, if you keep rolling down, you’ll come to a third play list box, and this will allow you to bring the bar down to my show.

  4. Hi kevin

    Can u post the link to the radio interview u did awhile back again. Want to listen to it again. Forgot name of site. Cheers

    Any more interviews upcoming?

  5. Hi Barry,

    At the time, some folks suggested that he may have murdered some women just across the border in Canada. I don’t believe this went anywhere, and I don’t believe Bundy was ever in Europe, Asia, nor did he take any overseas trips. I don’t know if he traveled to Mexico, either, but I don’t remember seeing anything about that. But know this, if Bundy would have found himself in any country other than the United States in that “launch” year of 1974, he would have murdered women in whatever country he visited. For Bundy the killer, regardless of geographic location, would have satiated that diabolical need to kill wherever he found himself. That’s what being a monster is all about.

  6. Hi Kevin and Alll

    Kevin is it posssible that ted could of commited murders abroad or in other countries. Did he ever take trips abroad anywhere for a holiday period or anything.

    Just a thought that came by me recently

  7. Are you aware of the book ‘The Origins of the Infamy’ by Barth (2009). This book suggest Bundy inolvement in mysterious Davis-Perry double murder near Ocean City (New Yersey), late May 1969. That’s not true crime story book, but still it gives one a pause…

  8. Hi Richard,

    While I mention in my book the possibility of Bundy being her killer (even perhaps the likelihood he did it) I’ve never been dogmatic about it, as we can never (or perhaps never) know the truth. But as I’m not completely convinced that Forrest committed the murder, it appears that Bundy shoots to the top of the list, in my view. But who knows?

  9. Okay kevin.
    I understand. It’s pure speculation to say wheter he killed in this period of time ore not.

    Then it will stay a big mystery for me!
    But i can tell you that i absolutely don’t believe he didn’t kill for over 2 months. No way!

    Maybe other people on this forum have cases from this period where bundy might be involved.

    Thnx!

    Maarten from holland

  10. Richard, for a long time, Ted Bundy maintained he had done nothing. Then he tried bargaining. I really don’t think Bundy ever, at any point, told the real truth, but only the truth according to Ted Bundy.

  11. Hi Maarten–

    I have no names to add to the mix here. Any time I saw a particular case of a missing or murdered woman in an area where Bundy was hunting (and this would include gaps in the record to which we are referring) I would mentally log it, but without actual evidence to link him to her/them, I never speculated about it, or had a desire to add it to my book. The road of speculation can ruin a book very quickly, and as readers of this site know very well, I prefer facts over speculation any day.

    Take care

  12. Well – this Bundy’s break in (killing spree November 1974 – January 1975) was already discussed before – up-thread.

    It was the time of Bundy”s tests at Utah law school – Bundy was skipping school almost all the fall long, “busy” with killings and he had to make it up in to order to pass exams.
    Then it was the time of Christmas and New Year – that he spent with Liz, her daughter Tina and Liz’s folks.
    He had no time – neither conditions.

    I also personally think is that he was somewhat seriously scared of what he did during this fateful Carol Da Ronch & Debbie Kent November evening. Of course he didn’t feel remorses but he knew he had exposed himself to a number of people who would identify him (specially at this Viewmont High School play) – and was afraid of manhunt and conclusive apprehension.
    So he was lying low – trying to be law-abiding person for a while.

    Time showed Da Ronch failed abduction turned to be a turning point in his “career”. Too bad it happened 10 months and (if my memory serves me well) and at least 5 victims later.

    regards
    Bart

  13. The problems I have with Valenzuela being a Bundy victim are:

    1) Ted denied it. His denial of killing Kathy Devine was truthful. What reason would he have to lie about this one?
    2) Possessions belonging to Jaime Grissom, a victim of Warren Leslie Forrest were found close to the future graves in 1972. I think it unlikely that SKs would share a dump site. Police could not place Forrest in the area when Valenzuela was killed, but do suspect a third, unnamed party.

  14. Shit..
    I pushed on the submit button but wasn’t ready typing lol..
    So we can say there are cases in august that have the bundy MO of Ted bundy so in fact he did kill in this month.

    But what about the period november 8th january 12. You say he might have payed more attention to law school. This is possible but is still hard to believe. I mean he was addictied to kill, killing made him feel alive. A period of 2 months without any attacks, rapes or killings seems not possible.. i guess.

    Okay now my question..
    Do you have any cases or names which could be possible bundy victims in this period..
    Like you say that you have the idea or the strong believe that valenzuela is most likely a bundy victim in august of 74.
    Do you have also examples of cases between november 8th 1974 and january 12 1975 which could be the work of bundy.

    I try to figure out this a long time already and i just find this a big mystery.

    Thankyou!
    Greetz Maarten

  15. Thnx for the reply!
    Yes indeed… carol valenzuela is maybe also a victim, she dissapeared on august 2 in the state of washington. If she is a bundy victim then it makes sence when you look at the timeline. Almost 3 weeks between lake sammamish and the next one on august 2. He just couldn’t wait any longer, the urge was to strong i guess.

    So you have possible valenzuela and another one in august which was found on the dumpsite

  17. Hi Maarten,

    Well, I believe Bundy did most likely kill in August 1974. Indeed, he may have killed Carol Valenzuela and another women that month. Also, when you have gaps in time (such as you pointed out after the Kent murder) there is always the chance Bundy may have killed during these periods. There are more victims out there than we know about. That said, he may also have had longer periods without murder than we suspect, especially when he dedicated more time in class at law school in the winter of 1975. These are the mysteries surrounding the case.

    take care,

    Kevin

  18. Hello Kevin,

    I’m From Holland so my english kinda sucks..
    I’m very fascinating with the Ted Bundy case..
    A lot of questions i had in the past are already answered by doing a lot of reading on the internet and also different books about the bundy case.

    But one thing i can’t figure out..
    After lake sammamish on july 14th he didn’t kill till september 2 which was the unknown hitchiker in idaho.
    Do you believe he could stop for 6 weeks, i mean if you look at his average in the months before it’s very unlikely he didn’t attack in this period. Maybe you have any idea what bundy was doning in this periode of 6 weeks, summer of 74..

    And also after debby kent on november 8th there seems to be a period of no killings. I just can’t believe this because he had to kill.
    So i think in these 2 periods he went to another state, driving a lot of miles to abduct and kill.
    Do you have any theories or thoughts about these to 2 periods in the bundy case…

  19. Hi all

    I promised to keep my mouth shut for a while – but it is a special time – so I decided to break a silence and to talk – regardless of some posters here who seriously dislike me.

    In my time zone – there is only 1 hour from May 6.
    On May 6 1974 – 36 years ago – Kathy Parks, 20 year old sophomore majoring in World Religion of Oregon State left this world.

    She should be 56 now- with 20, 30 or maybe even 40 years ahead of her. She should have a happy family and grown-up kids
    She definitely should be with us.
    But blind and bad luck put a madman on her way.

    Let’s remember her – and not only now – at the 36th anniversary of her death – but later and ever.

    After all, she didn’t only die – she had a real life before – short but REAL.
    Remember her birthday too – February 27th 1974.
    She was born for a reason – and that monster had no power to steal her real life from her.

    Thank you very much for your attention.
    Bart

  20. It is me again – cuz I found my another mistake.
    Bundy was of course a Republican (never Democrat 🙂 party campaign worker 🙂 1968, 1972, 1973
    And regarding “Stranger Beside Me” TV movie – it is also available on youtube. I am basically watching this now – at work lol. 🙂
    It is not that bad – but lacks a thrill.

    That’s all from me for today and several days
    I don’t wanna to invade this forum with my posts.

  21. Sorry… 1986 Bundy movie is naturally “The Deliberate Stranger” as it is an adaptation of one the best “Bundy book” by Richard W. Larsen (by the same title ).
    Dick Larsen was a Seattle journalist who used to know and interview Bundy when was a Democratic Party political worked (1972) – long before he became suspect – and Larsen’s character playes major role both in book and movie.

  22. Hey, Cameron

    Try to control your Bundy obsession and transform it into something useful – like a kind of scientific study or something 🙂

    Otherwise it is a real waste of your time and emotions.

    As for Bundy movies – for me the best one ever is “The Riverman” (2004 TV movie) as this actor portrayed Bundy (while incarcerated on Florida Death Row) with so diabolical accuracy – that made it me really scared. “The Riverman” is like “Silence of the Lambs” but without a bit of fantasy. “The Riverman” is actually based on Keppel’s “Ted Bundy and I hunt for..”.
    This movie is available (in 10 minutes parts) on Youtube.

    The traditional classic is “Stranger Beside Me” starring Mike Harmon – but it is too gentle and marked by too old-fashioned approach (this movie is from 1986) – in my opinion, but it is a must-see as it is very strict to cover factual events.

    “Bundy” (2002) is worth attention – but only because of quite good performance by M.R. Burke – who focused on psychopathic behaviour of his character.
    The rest of this movie is kind (maybe intentionally) pathetic.

    There is also “Bundy. Legacy of evil” (2009) Aussie movie which is very gore and inaccurate and marked by bad acting -, but still has some bright moments (this is first movie to touch the topic of Bundy’s “old flame” Diane Edwards).

    There is also TV adaptation of “Stranger Beside Me” from 2003, but I didn’t watch this and I heard it slow-paced and boring.

    Generally I prefer documentaries on Bundy.

  23. thanks for the info.
    i bought the only living witness just out of curiousity a month ago.
    And enjoyed it but felt it was missing something and decided to read stranger beside me. now reading phantom prince, with bundy and i hunt for green river on it’s way. i don’t think i’ll be able to read anything else until i finish reading every book about bundy published. I’m obsessed. Still on the fence about bundy murders though. For 45 bucks it should be as good as in cold blood or crime and punishment.
    Also, can somebody recommend any of the bundy movies out there. Are any of them realistic or entertaining?
    thanks
    cameron

  24. On the other hand – the one Bundy book that is really very expensive (unnecessarily the most valuable) is “The Phantom Prince” by Liz “Kendall” which price starts from 130 $.

    As for mistakes – “to err is human”.
    There are also minor mistakes regarding some victims age .
    But what difference does it make – if human life was taken at the age of 20 not at the age 22 or 23?
    That’s even more horrifying.

  25. $40.50 for a soft cover book is rather expensive.
    Especially considering that about 90 percent of the material is already available in other Bundy books that are still on the market.
    ‘The Only Living Witness’ retails for $14.95.
    ‘The Stranger Beside Me’ retails for $7.99. ‘Riverman’ costs about the same.
    I know those books are re-issues and Kevin’s book was new.
    But $40.50 is still rather pricey for a soft cover book.
    Although the pricing for ‘The Bundy Murders’ was not Kevin’s doing. You would need to question the publisher as to why they chose that price.

    While ‘The Bundy Murders’ may not be the definitive biography on the life of Ted Bundy, it is a compelling and detailed overview of his crimes.
    Just keep in mind that it does have some mistakes.
    Although, the other Bundy books have their share of mistakes as well. The mistakes that I found in Kevin’s book are few, but could be confusing for someone who hasn’t read any of the other Bundy books.
    For example. It states the Chi Omega trial as beginning on July 23. Of course that is wrong. Then about five paragraphs down it says that Bundy was found guilty on July 23. Huh?
    Another mistake I noticed was Kim Leach being refered to as Kimberly Anne Leach. Her middle name was Dianne.

    Kevin also writes that Bundy’s stepson Jamie/Jamey (the name is spelled both ways in several publications) had left Florida with his mother and never returned.
    That is false. Jamie was a grown man by then and had a job and an apartment not far from Florida State Prison.
    Jamie continued to vist Bundy almost every weekend up until a few days before the execution. Bundy’s confessing broke Jamie’s heart and he refused to return to the prison for a final goodbye. It was Carol and her daughter with Bundy who left in late 1986 and never returned.

    These minor mistakes don’t take anything away from the book.
    But they do stand out if you already know the Bundy story.
    I would still say it’s worth getting for filling in those gaps and giving a more complete view of Bundy’s murders.

  27. Hi, Cameron
    Both books are definitely must-reads when you are interested in this iconic serial murderer. While Bobby Keppel’s book is traditional classic – Kevin Sullivan’s book is kind a rising classic – given new dimensions and new light it sheds on TB. Why so expensive? Knowledge is expensive. I think you can still preview Kevin’s book on google books.

    PS:
    This silence here is really mysterious.
    Suddenly everybody has lost interested in TB – besides some accidental guest?

  28. Hello everyone.
    Can someone tell me if keppels book bundy and i hunt for the green river killer is any good. Also, is the bundy murders worth buying? and why is it so expensive?
    thanks
    cameron

  29. I am still wondering about this mysterious California murder – that Bundy confessed to in some point (I still don’t know when and to whom) – but never specified when, where and and to whom he had committed that crime. I looked up thread and read discussion about possibility of Bundy’s involvement in double murder of Susan Davis and Elizabeth Perry in Ocean City, New Jersey May 28 1969. As we all probably know – according to forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Art Norman – Bundy shortly before his execution revealed to him (in 3rd person style) some details from early summer 1969 that led Norman to believe Bundy could have been the the Jersey Shore anonymous killer. One of the posters wrote upthread : “Bundy, who at the time was a Temple University student, said that instead of taking a professor’s car to California right away, he drove to New York City, visited the sex shops off Broadway, and then drove down to Ocean City and looked at the girls on the boardwalk and beach.”

    And now I wondering about this “professor’s car to California”?
    I understand that Bundy was doing a favour to one of Temple professor’s of “delivering” his/her car to California location – but before this – he visited New York and Jersey Shore. Afterwards he drove professor’s all the way West to California. So maybe IT WAS THEN – June 1969 – that he committed that California murder (on a hitch-hiker?), specially when driving professor’s (fancy?) car.
    If he was really responsible for Davis-Perry double murder – he could have been in a very “predatory” mode. BTW – I know from Anne Rule’s book – that Bundy was present in San Francisco in summer 1969 – visiting Diane Edwards (to her great surprise), and trying to rewin her heart (unsuccessfully that time). In turn FBI Multi-Agency Report places Bundy in May 1969 in San Francisco where he was said to “stayed with friends with two or 3 weeks”. This report might be incorrect – he might stay in California in June – after arriving there with professor’s vehicle.

  31. Everybody’s gone from here? What happened?
    That’s the longest pause in posting I’ve experienced here – although I am still newcomer to this site.
    Please come back

    Richard A. Duffus – I read your mini-essay “These Stolen Children” on one of your sites. That really was touching.
    The title is a “bull’s eye” to me – “These Stolen Children”
    I have always thought TB regarded his killings as kind of extension of his compulsive stealing acts.
    It’s cruel to say but hadn’t he been so skillful at shoplifting – he would never be so skillful at abducting.

    BTW – did Bundy steal things his whole life long? Even during his political jobs for the Republican Party? After his second escape he found himself awkward with women but he was still extremely “successful” as a thief.

    I wonder who trained him. I read in TOLW about a “thief and drug user” named Richard who met TB in Seattle in 1968 and became his teacher to the burglaries.

    Was this individual ever identified and interrogated?

  32. Hi Denise,

    I think Carole moved for a number of reasons. Guard Stano wasn’t necessarily aware of the mother’s accident and may have presumed she moved because she was tired of Ted’s manipulations of everyone around him. Her tiring of Ted’s games is consistent with what my friend Bobby once told me. Stano also mentioned she was being harassed at home (Gainesville) once people knew who she was. I think another reason was that she was beginning to see who Ted really was and wasn’t liking it. But I’m sure the accident was the main reason.

  33. Is there any chance to achieve some Bundy books (legally) in pdf format? Do I have to have a Kindle machine?

    I generally try to gather all my Bundy archive on my PC – because this way it is much more “search-friendly”.
    Plus after several years – in the end – I became accustomed to reading books from the screen.

    Sometimes – in case of some old books – I had to scan them and process in special software.

    It is a time consuming activity – but once you do it – it makes every search much faster.

  34. Hi Richard and KYGB:

    I copy-pasted the notes from the prison guard at FSP after the first meltdown of the Crime & Justice Board, so they wouldn’t be lost again. I thought a lot of the things he said rang true, and where he obviously had misinformation, I imagined that was probably because prison guards wouldn’t normally read case files? Otoh he did offer to check with colleagues still working there at one point, but as I recall, Bundy’s files had either been destroyed or were archived beyond easy retrieval, which suggests perhaps they did have access to files.

    Polly Nelson says in her book that Carole and her daughter with Bundy moved back to the state of Washington both because of her mother’s car accident, and after Ted’s 2nd death warrant when he came within several hours of execution. Nelson believed they needed to protect the child from what was happening. [Incidentally, the little girl wasn’t much older than Bundy himself was when he was also moved interstate to a new life.] The guard, otoh, says Carole was just sick of Ted’s manipulations of everyone around him.

    I had a short and very helpful email correspondence with Stephen Michaud after reading his books with Hugh Aynsworth. I assured him at the time I wouldn’t pass on the contents, but one of the questions I asked him was whether the Bundy siblings ever visited Bundy in prison.

    He did say there was a lot that was left out of TOLW for lack of space, and also in some cases to protect people – but he has said that elsewhere too, so I’m not breaching confidence on that comment.

  35. JRJ–

    I may donate these papers at some point in the future, and I will not throw them away. I’m sorry I couldn’t take the time to do that which I thought I could do in a reasonable amount of time. The task is just too daunting. You can, however, contact the King County Archives, and they can send you an indexed word doc containing their Bundy files, and from this you can carefully read what’s in each box/file, etc. This will make it easier for you locate what you’re looking for.

    take care,

    Kevin

  36. Although Fiz put me yesterday in a position where my slightest reference to Lorraine is obviously unhealthy and obsession-based – I also wish you (obsessively :), recover soon, Lorraine!
    Love for you and your folks.

    Sincerely
    Bart “the Bully”

  38. Kevin,

    Since you are not inclined to peruse your Bundy Archives for information on possible additional victims, would you be willing at some point in the future to allow others to examine them? Do you eventually intend to donate these files to some archive, Library, or repository? In any case, please don’t dispose of this invaluable resource!

    Thanks,
    JRJ

  39. His concluding comment about the rapes was “it was his [another guard’s] understanding that Ted both denied and later admitted that he had actually raped some of the girls.” So it’s plauible Stano simply oveheard and reported some of Ted’s lies.

    I found the name coicidence difficult at first, but his knowledge about the prison, the attorneys, Bundy’s family, and Bundy himself is accurate as far as I can tell. If he was a fake, I doubt he could get ALL of that stuff right. I tend to believe him but would be more comfortable to know for sure if someone with that name worked at FSP.

  40. Richard, I hoped you’d post re: Stano the CO at FSP.

    Lot’s of his stuff DID ring true. He seemed to have knowlege about the facility. Lot’s of detail stuff like the routine, the lay-out of the place, the rules, etc.

    He went on at length that his TN was Gerald Stano, that it just happened to be the same as the serial killer, but the co-incidence was too much for me to take.

    A question, how did you take his posts on Ted and what did you make of his statements that Ted didn’t rape or practice necrophilia on his victims?

    “Stano’s” response in those areas also gave me pause.

  41. Lorraine,

    Hang with ’em. Take it easy and come back twice as strong.

    Listen to that daughter, now!

  42. Regarding Stano (the guard), the name is not at all uncommon so it could be a coincidence. And his post referring to ““one of Ted’s inmate request forms he sent me alleging that I was intercepting his legal mail when I worked with him” is consistent with Bundy’s ongoing battle with the prison over his mail. As far as I know the only references to that battle occur in Bundy’s personal correspondences. So guard Stano was either familiar with Bundy’s personal correspondences or he was present at FSP. I wonder if that request form can be found in prison records.

  43. Hi all,

    Just wanted to let you know that I am fine and will be back and posting asap. I have had some ongoing health issues and have spent the past several days in the hospital. I see there is a lot of catching up to be done (reading) and I hope too do so later this evening. Right now I have strict Dr. orders for bedrest, and with my daughter monitoring the situation, there is no escaping that, lol.

    Hopefully, I will be back in a few hours.

    Lorraine

  44. Fiz,

    With all respect – please – haven’t you noticed I have seriously limited posting about victims?

    I started to post about TB, about his personal life (including normal life partners), about his MO, about his murders (California trail for example) about his confessions.

    I have just put literally one single post recently about K and L.

    And you still sense an unhealthy obsessive victim-oriented interest in me!
    And that is not the case, at all.

    I was posting about Liz, “Stephanie” and Tina – and I l know they are also somehow TD’s victims (although not killed) – but I was posting without any obsession at all (just out of curiosity, that’s all).

    Please, you sound like you wish I would stop posting at all.

    Regards
    Bart

  45. Bart, I wish you would stop obsessing over Lorraine, Kathy and every other victim Bundy slaughtered. Your obsession with finding out more, wanting to contact victims’ friends and family makes you seem just as much of a stalk as Bundy himself. and please don’t tell me it’s because you don’t speak English as a first language, because we’ve heard it all before. It’d be nice if you would leave the subject in peace for several lifetimes.

  46. I am also curious about the daughter of Liz – “Tina” – to whom Bundy played the role “stepfather” (quite well BTW) for the large part of her childhood (6-7 years)

    She was 3 year old when Liz and Bundy met (1969), she was 13 when he was sentenced to death – she was 23 when he was electrocuted.

    No she is 40 something.

    I feel for her – because her life must have been seriously affected by him. And as she was only the kid during his madness. There was literally always nothing she could do to stop the madman. Unlike, Liz.

  47. Denise again

    Thank you very much but please don’t bother with scanning things for me – because it is probably against copywrite law.
    I will find my way to those transcripts.
    Bundy confessions are not my primal interests in the first place – BTW.

    See ya
    Bart

  48. Denise,

    My Aussie friend generally keeps telling me so called “Boonga (Abor) jokes” – what it turn terrorizes my US and English friends here who were brought up in more “political correctness” background. 🙂

    He is from Melbourne and actually he has very strong Polish roots although he barely speaks Polish 🙂

  49. Hi Kevin –

    Thanks so much for that overview on Bundy’s relations with various detectives. I can’t wait to read your book!

    KYGB: Yes, I enjoyed the Crime and Justice Board a lot and am so sorry it’s gone. I won’t argue with a much more perceptive observer’s opinion of ‘Stano.’ I just thought that was such a telling story, and even if it didn’t happen, it seems to me it could have: speaking to Bill Hagmaier, Bundy dwelled on what he thought the wonderful sensation of blood and saliva on his hands during a strangulation (ugh, I feel sick even typing this).

    Bart: I hope your Aussie friend doesn’t tell you too many ‘tall stories’ I grew up amongst many Polish immigrants here, and LOVED their food! Regarding any interviews with Bundy’s first love, I think Ann Rule and others have merely quoted the little that was made available to them after the police questioned her. I’m sure Kevin would know more if there were anything more to know.

    No, I don’t think Liz’s first husband was a killer at all. Unless something’s happened since the time she wrote her book many years after they were divorced. She had insecurity problems and alcohol problems and of course Bundy liked to make her feel insecure too. She met, and I believe married, a man she met at AA meetings.

    I’ve read transcripts of the confession interviews in Keppel’s book “The Riverman” and also in Ann Rules’ book. I’ve just Googled and I can’t find any transcripts online. I agree the audio tapes are hard to understand anyway. Is scanning the interviews for Bart ‘fair use’ or copyright infringement, would anyone know?

    I agree that Lorraine’s visits are priceless, but so is her health and peace of mind. I also knew, very well a murder victim, a kind and gentle man killed by a very violent man with whom his wife spent a year before returning to him. It’s absolutely shattering, especially as his killer more or less got off – 1 year in prison – on a technicality. We don’t have death sentences in Australia since about 1966, and I am against them because mistakes have been made. But I often think that ‘life’ in prison, if it really is a life sentence, is probably worse.

  50. Lorraine

    I hate to ask you this question – but is there any at least symbolic grave of Kathy Parks – where one can pay her tribute?

    Beside this cyber place on finagrave.com?

    Take care
    Bart

    PS: I hope everything is OK with you – as you have stopped posting here. Probably you just have no time or feel slighlty overloaded with this topic.
    But remember that your every visit here is priceless.

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